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Originally Posted by Magic Sjefke View Post

Thanks for your input but a FX8350 will be out of my budget:rolleyes: I'm from the Netherlands but I tookthe prices in GBP because pc part picker is not available in the Netherlands, in Germany the 450D is not available yet. The price difference from FX6300 to FX8350 is roughly 100USD.

I checked my selected psu again, that is also full modular so whould be fine with a FX6300 and R7 265. What do you thank about the H100i combined with Noctua NF-F12 PWM, 120mm

I don't know if you looked into this or not but what about a FX8320 (a lower binned 8350) sure you may not be able to push it as far in over clocking but it will still give you the same basic performance as the 8350 after all it is the same chip. And its still leaps and bounds over the FX6300

Edit its priced at 105.59 GBP from Aria http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Processors/AMD+CPUs/FX+%28Piledriver%29+-+Socket+AM3%2B/AMD+%28Piledriver%29+FX-8320+3.50GHz+%284.00GHz+Turbo%29+Socket+AM3%2B+8-Core+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=52723
Edited by zaldrain - 4/21/14 at 11:17pm
post #12 of 54
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Originally Posted by zaldrain View Post

I don't know if you looked into this or not but what about a FX8320 (a lower binned 8350) sure you may not be able to push it as far in over clocking but it will still give you the same basic performance as the 8350 after all it is the same chip. And its still leaps and bounds over the FX6300

Edit its priced at 105.59 GBP from Aria http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Processors/AMD+CPUs/FX+%28Piledriver%29+-+Socket+AM3%2B/AMD+%28Piledriver%29+FX-8320+3.50GHz+%284.00GHz+Turbo%29+Socket+AM3%2B+8-Core+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=52723

Thanks for your input but think I will stick to the FX6300..I'm actually already slightly over budget and I don't want to save on good cooling and psu
post #13 of 54
I don't really consider the FX-8320 to be leaps and bounds better than the FX-6300 for several reasons:

The FX-8320 comes with the 140W AMD HSF, which means they can throw poor voltage bins into the FX-8320 pile and they will still run fine (1.30V+):
See here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvsxWM_f24kDdEQ4eGhrdzV2aU94QVBZV2R6LXdIY3c&gid=0
Note: Look at the stock reported Vcore of FX-8320 parts. Average of ~1.35V.

The FX-6300 comes with the 95W AMD HSF, which I believe means they have to be more careful what sort of voltage bins they toss into the FX-6300 pile, else they will overheat on the included HSF. Most users report receiving FX-6300s with VID ~1.25V. (As low as 1.212V is pretty common)

When limited by power/voltage caps (trying to stay within the ~1.50-1.55V "peak" range), A 0.1V discrepancy in VID will translate to ~300-400mhz difference in overclocking potential all other things being equal.
When limited by thermal dissipation, the FX-6300 has 25% less cores to cool, all other things being equal, for the same thermal dissipation performance by the HSF that reduction in cores translates to a 400-500mhz difference overclocking.

What I'm saying is that, on average, the FX-6300 will overclock 300-500mhz higher than an FX-8320, all other things being equal.

OCed vs OCed, the FX-6300 winds up ~10% faster than the FX-8320 more often than the FX-8320 winds up ~20% faster than the FX-6300 for most users. In gaming, the FX-6300 with a higher clock speed will perform better most of the time, and even in the few games that do scale into parallelism well, the scaling isn't perfect, as such, it's almost a wash.
Edited by mdocod - 4/22/14 at 2:28am
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
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Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
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Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
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FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
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Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
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yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
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Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
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A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
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Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
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LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
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post #14 of 54
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I don't really consider the FX-8320 to be leaps and bounds better than the FX-6300 for several reasons:

The FX-8320 comes with the 140W AMD HSF, which means they can throw poor voltage bins into the FX-8320 pile and they will still run fine (1.30V+):
See here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvsxWM_f24kDdEQ4eGhrdzV2aU94QVBZV2R6LXdIY3c&gid=0
Note: Look at the stock reported Vcore of FX-8320 parts. Average of ~1.35V.

The FX-6300 comes with the 95W AMD HSF, which I believe means they have to be more careful what sort of voltage bins they toss into the FX-6300 pile, else they will overheat on the included HSF. Most users report receiving FX-6300s with VID ~1.25V. (As low as 1.212V is pretty common)

When limited by power/voltage caps (trying to stay within the ~1.50-1.55V "peak" range), A 0.1V discrepancy in VID will translate to ~300-400mhz difference in overclocking potential all other things being equal.
When limited by thermal dissipation, the FX-6300 has 25% less cores to cool, all other things being equal, for the same thermal dissipation performance by the HSF that reduction in cores translates to a 400-500mhz difference overclocking.

What I'm saying is that, on average, the FX-6300 will overclock 300-500mhz higher than an FX-8320, all other things being equal.

OCed vs OCed, the FX-6300 winds up ~10% faster than the FX-8320 more often than the FX-8320 winds up ~20% faster than the FX-6300 for most users. In gaming, the FX-6300 with a higher clock speed will perform better most of the time, and even in the few games that do scale into parallelism well, the scaling isn't perfect, as such, it's almost a wash.


It seems like the three module/six core cpu is the actual sweet spot if I am reading this correctly. In most use case scenarios the 6300 would be preferable to the the 8320/8350?
post #15 of 54
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Originally Posted by chrisjames61 View Post

It seems like the three module/six core cpu is the actual sweet spot if I am reading this correctly. In most use case scenarios the 6300 would be preferable to the the 8320/8350?

Compared to the 8320 I would say yes because if I read the post of mdocod corretly the FX6300 could be running at higher clocks.
i don't know about the 8350 but maybe one of the more experienced members can tell
post #16 of 54
I am an over clocked 8350 in by machine but cant say how it stacks up vs the FX6300 the only comparison I have is when looking at the various benchmarks found online.

Stock clocks on the 8350 are higher than the 6300. So even if you only use 2-4 cores for gaming, out of 8 or 6, the 8350 will be a little faster. However, the 6300 can easily overclock to 4Ghz like the 8350 and then you'll be talking equal performance. If you look at most benchmarks, there's not too much advantage in going 8350 anyway. And really, this is only for CPU bound titles, which are not terribly common.

What will definitely increase your gaming performance is an upgraded video card. So if this is a new build, put the £50 into the next tier up video card and get the 6300. In other words, an 8350 and a GTX 750 Ti will perform worse than a 6300 and a GTX 760, from a gaming stand point.

Now if your talking about over clocking the 8350 that is a another matter all together. Anyway I hope this helps explain things to you a little more clearly.
post #17 of 54
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What will definitely increase your gaming performance is an upgraded video card. So if this is a new build, put the £50 into the next tier up video card and get the 6300. In other words, an 8350 and a GTX 750 Ti will perform worse than a 6300 and a GTX 760, from a gaming stand point.

Now if your talking about over clocking the 8350 that is a another matter all together. Anyway I hope this helps explain things to you a little more clearly.

Thank you for the explanation..slowly I'm getting to understand all the technical ins and outs:D
It's not a completly new build, actually I can buy the 750Ti for a very nice price from a friend..I just added it in the build to give you an impression of my total configuration.
If I will upgrade in the future I probably go AMD all the way..In my opinion their price / performance ratio is better then Nvidia
post #18 of 54
PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3wFqq
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3wFqq/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3wFqq/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor (£105.59 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£64.79 @ Aria PC)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£58.02 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£99.90 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card (£119.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Antec GX700 ATX Mid Tower Case (£55.07 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£69.78 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Thermalright TY-147 73.6 CFM 140mm Fan (£5.17 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Thermalright TY-147 73.6 CFM 140mm Fan (£5.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £583.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 00:16 BST+0100)


Heatsink choices
This is as good as the thermalright silver arrow sb-e
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BQ8A6HW?ie=UTF8&at=&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links

A cheaper heatsink(performs as the nh d14)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005TMG8G4?ie=UTF8&at=&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links
post #19 of 54
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Thanks for your input..looks a nice configuration. Would the selected RAM fit in combination with a large aircooler? I did take a look at the Potenza series but I think the heat spreaders will be to high.

The case I prefer to stay with the 450D..it's not only for the looks but it also performs very well. I've read a review on hardware.info, sorry guys it's Dutch:o, while running the stock fans at max rpm it has the same performance as the CM690iii (about 42dBA) but it's cooling capacity is amazing and even outperforms the Carbide 540 Air and Silverstone Raven RV03.

The motherboard I tend to stay with the selected Asus and the CPU I stick to the FX6300 due to it's better overclocking potential.
Edited by Magic Sjefke - 4/23/14 at 12:01am
post #20 of 54
That ridiculous both(fx 83xx and 63xx) have thd same overclocking potential for a budget like this a more expe.sive case wont give you the extra performance ,also. In the future the 8 core can be a benefit since consoles are using 8 cores from amd,plus the mobo i selected has enough power phases for overclocking that fx 8320


And as you can see here the antec gx700 has the best performance of all


http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4151/5/antec-gx700-review-ready-for-battle-test-results-cooling-200-watts

Now you are right with the heatsink and the memory let me change the memories

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3wYnx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3wYnx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3wYnx/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor (£105.59 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£64.79 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£63.25 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£99.29 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card (£119.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Antec GX700 ATX Mid Tower Case (£55.07 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£69.78 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Thermalright TY-147 73.6 CFM 140mm Fan (£5.17 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Thermalright TY-147 73.6 CFM 140mm Fan (£5.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £588.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 13:46 BST+0100)
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