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First of all , I'm new here if its the wrong section , sorry! Anyway , I've been wanting to get rid of my G700s for sometime now , it's been quite okok for me , not a really good purchase in my opinion , Logitech ruined it with their "Dry grip" coating , making it so horrible that i couldn't even get a grip for the mouse with battery in it and I'm using it for mainly playing FPS shooters such as CSGO.

What i did was to sticky tape the side in order to even get a grip , thank god for sticky tapes , even the sticky tape wouldnt stick on the coating of the surface , thats how none grippy it really is. I'll show you guys a pic of it. Also not to mention the coating of it gets off quite easily when scratched.

This is the first time logitech has eveer failed me , since the G9x frown.gif G700s has crappy coating , crappy wire , too thick to even move , it restraints your movement for small environment , play with it wirelessly most of the time and then sometimes the software will go gaga and crash because , yes you guessed it , because of it going wired and wireless often.

I will be so thankful if anyone would provide me with the weight of this thing , quite a bit too heavy for long sessions of gaming , compared to the previous g9x , its a lot lighter.

I'm eyeing on the Steelseries Rival and the Logitech G502 , probably Mionix avior 8200 or the Zowie FK 2014 if i go through some troubles finding it here locally. Any recommendations are much appreciated! Thanks! biggrin.gif

P/s : Preferably those because of comfort and the lightness. Also , I do not know anything about accelerations or what not , since i've been gaming with a G9x and G700s , both performs great , did a bit of research lately and found out those have acceleration. And yes , i do good in CSGO too , (LE) currently. So if mouse without acceleration gives better muscle memory , = better performance , it'll be great to know.

P/s2 : Mouse used for a few months now , sticky taped since the minute i knew i couldnt get any grip on it.
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First of all , I'm new here if its the wrong section , sorry! Anyway , I've been wanting to get rid of my G700s for sometime now , it's been quite okok for me , not a really good purchase in my opinion , Logitech ruined it with their "Dry grip" coating , making it so horrible that i couldn't even get a grip for the mouse with battery in it and I'm using it for mainly playing FPS shooters such as CSGO.

What i did was to sticky tape the side in order to even get a grip , thank god for sticky tapes , even the sticky tape wouldnt stick on the coating of the surface , thats how none grippy it really is. I'll show you guys a pic of it. Also not to mention the coating of it gets off quite easily when scratched.

This is the first time logitech has eveer failed me , since the G9x frown.gif G700s has crappy coating , crappy wire , too thick to even move , it restraints your movement for small environment , play with it wirelessly most of the time and then sometimes the software will go gaga and crash because , yes you guessed it , because of it going wired and wireless often.

I will be so thankful if anyone would provide me with the weight of this thing , quite a bit too heavy for long sessions of gaming , compared to the previous g9x , its a lot lighter.

I'm eyeing on the Steelseries Rival and the Logitech G502 , probably Mionix avior 8200 or the Zowie FK 2014 if i go through some troubles finding it here locally. Any recommendations are much appreciated! Thanks! biggrin.gif

P/s : Preferably those because of comfort and the lightness. Also , I do not know anything about accelerations or what not , since i've been gaming with a G9x and G700s , both performs great , did a bit of research lately and found out those have acceleration. And yes , i do good in CSGO too , (LE) currently. So if mouse without acceleration gives better muscle memory , = better performance , it'll be great to know.

P/s2 : Mouse used for a few months now , sticky taped since the minute i knew i couldnt get any grip on it.

Sorry about the mouse, man. I would never recommend that thing to anyone that plays games outside of MMOs. It's just too big, too heavy, and too many useless buttons for me... Oh! And it's wireless... Not for me at all. If you're moving over from the G9X, the you really need to look at the Corsair M45. It feels fantastic, has a great sensor, great price, and is the closest thing I've found to fitting the niche of the G9 mice.

Everything else you listed were fantastic outside of the Mionix Avior 8200. There's officially no reason to buy that mouse when the Avior 7000 is out. It's the exact same shape with a much better sensor.
Edited by DivineDark - 4/21/14 at 11:52am
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The Corsair M45 is most similar to the G9X if you like that shape like Divine said. My primary mouse is the Avior 7000 and that sensor is godly stuff. You might actually want to consider the G502, it should be lighter than the G700s but it is still on the heavier side. The Avior is much lighter, nimble, quick, and deadly. It is more like a Sensei shape than a G9X shape though. I think the M45 is very light as well though so it might be your best bet. I just love Mionix, they're a small and kickass company with amazing support and great people.
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Sorry about the mouse, man. I would never recommend that thing to anyone that plays games outside of MMOs. It's just too big, too heavy, and too many useless buttons for me... Oh! And it's wireless... Not for me at all. If you're moving over from the G9X, the you really need to look at the Corsair M45. It feels fantastic, has a great sensor, great price, and is the closest thing I've found to fitting the niche of the G9 mice.

Everything else you listed were fantastic outside of the Mionix Avior 8200. There's officially no reason to buy that mouse when the Avior 7000 is out. It's the exact same shape with a much better sensor.

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The Corsair M45 is most similar to the G9X if you like that shape like Divine said. My primary mouse is the Avior 7000 and that sensor is godly stuff. You might actually want to consider the G502, it should be lighter than the G700s but it is still on the heavier side. The Avior is much lighter, nimble, quick, and deadly. It is more like a Sensei shape than a G9X shape though. I think the M45 is very light as well though so it might be your best bet. I just love Mionix, they're a small and kickass company with amazing support and great people.
Yeah , the G700s was a bit of an impulse buy , a bad move i guess. Oh , thanks guys for the fast response . Also about the M45 , I've just searched about it and saw Linus's video , seems like its using a quite similar coating as the sides as the G700s , i closed the video after that , I'm quite "traumatized" by the coating already lol.

However , shape don't quite matter i guess , since I was from a G9x and jumped to the G700s which is quite big , imagine that big change of shape lol. I have no idea how much the g9x weighs though , but it felt like its a lot more comfortable to swipe in games, less fatigue i guess. Do you guys own the mouse and any of the listed mouse too? Care to elaborate on the weight? Hopefully the Rival or the G502 won't be that far off as it seems to be the easiest to get and are the best bets currently? Thanks a lot again for the advises guys!
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Rival is pretty heavy too. You'd be better off with the M45 or Avior if you want less weight. The Avior isn't the grippiest mouse in the world like the Rival is, but at least there is a rubber coating at all, unlike the Logitechs.
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Yeah , the G700s was a bit of an impulse buy , a bad move i guess. Oh , thanks guys for the fast response . Also about the M45 , I've just searched about it and saw Linus's video , seems like its using a quite similar coating as the sides as the G700s , i closed the video after that , I'm quite "traumatized" by the coating already lol.

However , shape don't quite matter i guess , since I was from a G9x and jumped to the G700s which is quite big , imagine that big change of shape lol. I have no idea how much the g9x weighs though , but it felt like its a lot more comfortable to swipe in games, less fatigue i guess. Do you guys own the mouse and any of the listed mouse too? Care to elaborate on the weight? Hopefully the Rival or the G502 won't be that far off as it seems to be the easiest to get and are the best bets currently? Thanks a lot again for the advises guys!

M45: Uses a soft touch rubber on the top/buttons, while the side pieces are a textured plastic. The shape makes lifting very easy regardless of texture. The texture is something akin to the small shell on the G9X.

Rival: Uses a rough finish on the top of the mouse with patterned rubber grips on the sides for easy lifting. Some people love them, some hate them. They're like a grid of little rubber pegs.

Naos: A silky soft touch coating all around. The mouse is shaped to provide rests for all fingers, so it is a little rough to lift for some people. Especially those of us with dry hands.

Avior: Exactly the same as the Naos, but with an Ambi shape that is MUCH easier to lift.
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M45: Uses a soft touch rubber on the top/buttons, while the side pieces are a textured plastic. The shape makes lifting very easy regardless of texture. The texture is something akin to the small shell on the G9X.

Rival: Uses a rough finish on the top of the mouse with patterned rubber grips on the sides for easy lifting. Some people love them, some hate them. They're like a grid of little rubber pegs.

Naos: A silky soft touch coating all around. The mouse is shaped to provide rests for all fingers, so it is a little rough to lift for some people. Especially those of us with dry hands.

Avior: Exactly the same as the Naos, but with an Ambi shape that is MUCH easier to lift.

Thanks for the feedback guys. That's exactly my point! M45 seems to feel a lot of the same texture of the small shell (precision grip) of the G9x which is also the same texture of the G700s , I really liked the other G9x grip the satin grip i think ..

Hmm , I'll probably wait a while more , do more research on a few of the mouse. I've just removed the battery and used wired mode for the G700s , without the battery the weight is actually a lot more hmm , nicer perhaps? Similar to G9x's weight but slightly heavier still . Thanks again btw!
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Thanks for the feedback guys. That's exactly my point! M45 seems to feel a lot of the same texture of the small shell (precision grip) of the G9x which is also the same texture of the G700s , I really liked the other G9x grip the satin grip i think ..

Hmm , I'll probably wait a while more , do more research on a few of the mouse. I've just removed the battery and used wired mode for the G700s , without the battery the weight is actually a lot more hmm , nicer perhaps? Similar to G9x's weight but slightly heavier still . Thanks again btw!

I would try the M45 sooner than later. You are playing on a flawed laser sensor right now and have been for some time.
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I would try the M45 sooner than later. You are playing on a flawed laser sensor right now and have been for some time.
Thanks for the thoughts! Hmm , what could i expect from it , better muscle memory perhaps? Since both of the mouse that i've used are lasers and they have acceleration. Also , I'm aware of optical not being able to track more surface than lasers , I'm a little worried about it not being able to track my current mousepad which is a Razer destructor hardmat , but it should be okay right , since it's black coloured?

Thanks aagain.
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Thanks for the thoughts! Hmm , what could i expect from it , better muscle memory perhaps? Since both of the mouse that i've used are lasers and they have acceleration. Also , I'm aware of optical not being able to track more surface than lasers , I'm a little worried about it not being able to track my current mousepad which is a Razer destructor hardmat , but it should be okay right , since it's black coloured?

Thanks aagain.

May or may not work so well on there. The 3310 is capable of TRACKING on most surfaces but the only data point I can contribute is that the liftoff distance skyrockets when you use a Corsair MM400 at least. Both a Rival and my Avior did that, same sensor as the M45 so...

I switched back to cloth which I should have been using anyway. More control, much much larger pad size for my 70cm/360 sens.

The problem with the ADNS-9500 (G9X) and 9800 (G700s) is not that they have acceleration but that the acceleration is inconsistent. This means that two swipes you try to make similar are just different enough that your mouse will end up in a different spot every single time you try to flick about the same distance, meaning your mouse will feel floaty forever and you can only ballpark your muscle memory rather than have it memorize movements. I had this problem when I was using my old Sensei. No one can get used to a laser as well as a high grade optical mouse. It's not possible. For some reason, people still argue with me on this forum saying that it is possible.

It is NOT. You absolutely cannot get used to the acceleration in a modern VSCEL sensor implementation because of its inconsistency. I usually supply the following graph as proof, so I'll repeat it here so you can see.


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