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In my opinion it's better not to have all your proverbial eggs in one basket. So I'd rather not depend on one single SSL/TLS implementation.

Counterpoint.... better to have one really really good basket then multiple probably good baskets...


Audits, audits, audits....
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Audits, audits, audits....

We want to keep all of those mysterious eyes looking at the same code tongue.gif
    
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Counterpoint.... better to have one really really good basket then multiple probably good baskets...


Audits, audits, audits....

Sadly that counterpoint doesn't always prove true in real life as there'll always be bugs with sufficiently complex code. So it makes sense to limit the scope of the vulnerabilities instead of running everything under the same code base.

Fragmentation can work in favour of the systems you're trying to secure.
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We want to keep all of those mysterious eyes looking at the same code tongue.gif
It's FOSS.... and audits would be by 3rd parties.

TrueCrypt is under audit now: http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/
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Sadly that counterpoint doesn't always prove true in real life as there'll always be bugs with sufficiently complex code. So it makes sense to limit the scope of the vulnerabilities instead of running everything under the same code base.

Fragmentation can work in favour of the systems you're trying to secure.

True, but check the resources provided to OpenSSL today.... a few dozen developers and less than $1M annually. As it already is underfunded, would splitting up the available resources actually ensure a quality alternative?
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True, but check the resources provided to OpenSSL today.... a few dozen developers and less than $1M annually. As it already is underfunded, would splitting up the available resources actually ensure a quality alternative?

We don't exactly have a quality product to begin with, so what's the harm? It's not as if OpenBSD have a bad track record of security packages (we all use OpenSSH don't we tongue.gif).

Plus we already have other competing TLS libraries, it's just a lot of them have incompatible licences. So it would be nice to see more development time pushed towards a more agnostic licence (let's also remember that this is a new team of developers rather than members of the existing OpenSSL devs)
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It's FOSS.... and audits would be by 3rd parties.

TrueCrypt is under audit now: http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/

One full audit after 10 years (probably more by the time it's completed) isn't really adequate. So yes, audits would be nice, but how often are they happening?
    
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One full audit after 10 years (probably more by the time it's completed) isn't really adequate. So yes, audits would be nice, but how often are they happening?

That's the thing!

There are a many major libraries that have not gone under audit or gone under one recently. Audits are "boring" so developers generally don't like doing them but they are necessary. This may require funding.
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That's the thing!

There are a many major libraries that have not gone under audit or gone under one recently. Audits are "boring" so developers generally don't like doing them but they are necessary. This may require funding.

Audits aren't perfect though. In fact some SSL libraries (PolarSSL, to be precise) have been audited and still had overflow bugs found by non-security experts when using the APIs post audit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that our security software shouldn't be audited. But I do think that we shouldn't assume that it's possible to write 100% bug free SSL libraries - that's never going to happen.
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One full audit after 10 years (probably more by the time it's completed) isn't really adequate. So yes, audits would be nice, but how often are they happening?

Geez sounds like the SEC and shareholders need to get involved...tongue.gif
With all this talk about audits I almost thought I was on one of the accounting or finance forums I lurk. tongue.gif

Although...this has given me a business idea....ninja.gif
     
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Audits aren't perfect though. In fact some SSL libraries (PolarSSL, to be precise) have been audited and still had overflow bugs found by non-security experts when using the APIs post audit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that our security software shouldn't be audited. But I do think that we shouldn't assume that it's possible to write 100% bug free SSL libraries - that's never going to happen.

Agreed here..... Maybe take the OEM approach.... always have two main suppliers. They should be compatible and swappable.

The concern is that we absolutely do need more investment on these foundation libraries. They may not be as "sexy" as a new browser but that are crucial. Hopefully, major corporation will start donating human capital and resources after this SSL bug.
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