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Due to a lack of understanding, why is it exactly 1) Intel is dominating this part of the market and 2) Why has big blue not been around in it?

Intel strategy since the late 90s has been build Xeons subsidize the R&D with Pentium, Core. This is the same strategy that NVIDIA took.... build high-margin enterprise hardware then sell cutdown designs to consumers to maximize value.

Intel was successfully able to use this strategy to take over the enterprise market.

Big Blue is and still has been in the highest end servers... mission-critical servers. Intel's response was Itanium but that venture has never been really successful.

HOWEVER, a company called Google really changed the server world. They really pushed software that was distributed and fault-tolerant. Instead of building UP, build OUT.



(BTW, I spent a year moving software from POWER6/AIX to Intel x86/RHEL). Server costs went from a two $150K servers to four $40K servers.)
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/23/14 at 12:47pm
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I'm sure this is destined for OS/390 and AS/400's like I have in my Datacenter. I'd give kidney for one of these. I'm sure we all would.  

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Who fabs this chip, IBM in-house?

I think this chip is being made at the IBM Fab in Hopewell Junction, New York.
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Chips like these make me wish I studied more on OS design. To bad you have to have a crap ton of experience before a company will even let you try to program on one or more of them.
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Apple should move back to the Power Architecture:) I had a Power Mac in college and loved that thing,.
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Intel strategy since the late 90s has been build Xeons subsidize the R&D with Pentium, Core. This is the same strategy that NVIDIA took.... build high-margin enterprise hardware then sell cutdown designs to consumers to maximize value.

Intel was successfully able to use this strategy to take over the enterprise market.

Big Blue is and still has been in the highest end servers... mission-critical servers. Intel's response was Itanium but that venture has never been really successful.

HOWEVER, a company called Google really changed the server world. They really pushed software that was distributed and fault-tolerant. Instead of building UP, build OUT.



(BTW, I spent a year moving software from POWER6/AIX to Intel x86/RHEL). Server costs went from a two $150K servers to four $40K servers.)

Hmm ok thats for replying, thats quite interesting information
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I think AMD should join OpenPower, license Power8, and create the first Power8 & x86 & ARM compatible CPU. biggrin.gif

Not sure why anyone would want that sort of massive flexibility, but it would be cool.
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I think AMD should join OpenPower, license Power8, and create the first Power8 & x86 & ARM compatible CPU. biggrin.gif

Not sure why anyone would want that sort of massive flexibility, but it would be cool.

Or they can join IBM and make chips in IBM's fabs. I bet you they can cut power draw in half while having a slight increase in IPC.

Then they can turn their 5Ghz 250W TDP FX9590 into a 125W TDP mainstread part and give intel a run for its money.
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Chips like these make me wish I studied more on OS design. To bad you have to have a crap ton of experience before a company will even let you try to program on one or more of them.
Not really.... the point of higher languages is the you don't have to know the hardware to program for it. Besides, know an OS is different from know the hardware that the OS is running on. wink.gif OS and drivers abstract the hardware.

Many financial, insurance, medical, telcoms, etc companies and governements still run POWER systems.
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Apple should move back to the Power Architecture:) I had a Power Mac in college and loved that thing,.
Yeah, but then we probably would have to pay even more for Macs and compatible applications.

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Or they can join IBM and make chips in IBM's fabs. I bet you they can cut power draw in half while having a slight increase in IPC.

Then they can turn their 5Ghz 250W TDP FX9590 into a 125W TDP mainstread part and give intel a run for its money.
Doubtful. Physics is physics. Besides, chip design and layout has a LOT to do with power draw.

Look at NVIDIA's Fermi to Kepler or Kepler to Maxwell. While process shrinks helped, more targeted transistor selection with more grainular design drove power consumption down.
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Look at NVIDIA's Fermi to Kepler or Kepler to Maxwell. While process shrinks helped, more targeted transistor selection with more grainular design drove power consumption down.

Way to shatter my dreams Duckie, you Ho sad-smiley-002.gif
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