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So like 100% slower than what upcoming NGFF drives is capable of. I think I'll pass.

M.2 (aka NFGG) utilizes SATA Express.

M.2 is the form factor... the underlying communication is still SATA.
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Let's get random reads/writes above SATA II speeds before we worry about sequential speeds above SATA III...
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Great, but where the hell are the drives?

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So about a ~50% performance improvement over the current kings of SSD speeds.......if I did my mathmeticalcalculacalationals right. biggrin.gif

Not really. First, we need controllers to utilize the increased bandwidth. Marvell has a couple and so does LSI (SandForce maker). I'm sure Samsung is working on some too. This is no better than M.2 drives using two PCIe lanes, and they have up to four available. Sadly, they're only rev 2 lanes, so 2000MB/s in both directions. That's the biggest advantage. SATA as we now know it is 600MB/s combined - upstream and downstream. PCIe is 2000MB/s up and 2000MB/s down, not 2000MB/s combined.

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So like 100% slower than what upcoming NGFF drives is capable of. I think I'll pass.

100% slower = 0MB/s. You mean "M.2 is up to 100% faster" or "SATA Express is 50% slower." wink.gif

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

M.2 (aka NFGG) utilizes SATA Express.

M.2 is the form factor... the underlying communication is still SATA.

Is it? I thought M.2 was just mini PCIe specialized for storage. Then again, that is essentially what SATA Express is. So SATA Express : SATA :: M.2 : mSATA?
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The plug may be too big? rolleyes.gif

thats what she said smile.gif

I think they need to do away with sata cables and work more on putting the SSD directly on the motherboard like with msata or usata or M.2 and such basically they need to remove the bottleneck which the cables create and by putting the OS drive directly on the MB is not only faster but its just a better option id like too see more motherboards with that option smile.gif
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Is it? I thought M.2 was just mini PCIe specialized for storage. Then again, that is essentially what SATA Express is. So SATA Express : SATA :: M.2 : mSATA?

There were mini-PCIe SSDs but they required onboard storage controllers. They were basically HBA + SSD.

Then there was mSATA which is mechanically identical to the mini-PCIe. The motherboard had to wire the PCIe lanes to an onboard controller.

SATA Express is part of the SATA specification. It is basically PCIe for SATA. M.2 (or the older name NGFF) implements SATA Express in a small form factor.


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I think they need to do away with sata cables and work more on putting the SSD directly on the motherboard like with msata or usata or M.2 and such basically they need to remove the bottleneck which the cables create and by putting the OS drive directly on the MB is not only faster but its just a better option id like too see more motherboards with that option smile.gif
The cable does not create a bottleneck in this case. Motherboard space is limited.... and motherboards are getting smaller.

The 9-series chipset has M.2 as a standard option.

SATA Express main usage is for servers and storage arrays.
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100% slower = 0MB/s. You mean "M.2 is up to 100% faster" or "SATA Express is 50% slower." wink.gif

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M.2 / NGFF supports SATA but also supports native PCIe communication AFAIK.

The Samsung XP941 already can do nearly 1300MB/s. I do believe it was Toshiba that has plans for a 1.6GB/s drive this year. My 4 year old ioXtreme has faster read speeds than what they showed for SATA express. So SATA Express really holds no interest to me. Too little too late IMO.
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There were mini-PCIe SSDs but they required onboard storage controllers. They were basically HBA + SSD.

Then there was mSATA which is mechanically identical to the mini-PCIe. The motherboard had to wire the PCIe lanes to an onboard controller.

SATA Express is part of the SATA specification. It is basically PCIe for SATA. M.2 (or the older name NGFF) implements SATA Express in a small form factor.

+ImaginaryRep.

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M.2 / NGFF supports SATA but also supports native PCIe communication AFAIK.

The Samsung XP941 already can do nearly 1300MB/s. I do believe it was Toshiba that has plans for a 1.6GB/s drive this year. My 4 year old ioXtreme has faster read speeds than what they showed for SATA express. So SATA Express really holds no interest to me. Too little too late IMO.

I thought Samsung had something out! I think your ioXtreme is the exception to the rule. $900 MSRP for 80GB?! That's worse than RAM prices!
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I thought Samsung had something out! I think your ioXtreme is the exception to the rule. $900 MSRP for 80GB?! That's worse than RAM prices!

Samsung is also trying to push a new protocol NVMe to replace AHCI for SSDs. Remember that AHCI was developed for disk drives.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express
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Samsung is also trying to push a new protocol NVMe to replace AHCI for SSDs. Remember that AHCI was developed for disk drives.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express

Yea, I really want this to happen with this move to PCIe. I think I first read about this in like december / january timeframe and this really looks like the way to talk to flash storage.
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