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post #11 of 42
i too have sttled on kana v2 after using he avior, rival and a handful of other mice. it's simply the best for me in terms of ergonomics. tapemodded it and it's pretty much perfect.
post #12 of 42
I've had the same ongoing battle with my Kana v2, FK and Avior last 6 months. I use palm/claw grip and play CS:GO 400/450 dpi, 6/11 windows and 2.6 - 3.1 sens with CM Power mousepad.

Last autumn I was using Kana v2 long time. I swapped Kana v1 shell to Kana v2 internals to improve my grip. After that I felt LOD was too agressive so I used black electrical tape to lower it. I'm pretty high senser for my taste, settled for 2.8 sens in game on Kana. My aim was pretty fast and good on short and medium distances but somehow I couldn't shoot on long distances. Also I just didn't like sensor skipping on fast flicks with my CM Power.

So I decided to try FK'14. NEO's mouse comes pretty close what comes to aiming. Small size gives really fast and snappy aim. I tried 2.4-3.0 sens but somehow I was always missing some shots. I think that for my hand FK is just a little too thin. I was always readjusting my hand so I couldn't get the best grip of it.

After reading some positive reviews of Avior 7000 (thanks to you mousefan and metal571 tongue.gif) I ordered one. I quickly learned how to grip Avior and giving headshots never felt better. It's just heavier side if you compare with those two earlier mentioned so I had some troubles on quick turns. I have now settled 3.1 sens and I think it's pretty damn close to perfect. Aiming is good on all distances but CS:GO isn't just always giving one tap on someone. For example using AK47 it's important to get fast spray to kill someone and using Avior has eased my gaming.

TLDR: Preference thing but if you get used to shape and weight I would say Avior gives you the best performance in game smile.gif
Edited by juhisrrr - 4/24/14 at 1:55am
post #13 of 42
Kana V2 has smoothing, and unfortunately it does ruin the mouse for me. I wanted to switch from the Kana V1 to it, but it seems the Kana V1 at 800 dpi is still better because of the lower lift off distance and less smoothing.

They also managed to completely screw up the coating on the glossy edition of Kana V2. Glossy coating is for dry hands, that's the logical explanation for it. So what does SteelSeries do, they put slippery rubber coating on the sides, and just a glossy top. So know the Kana V2 white is harder to control than the glossy white Kana V1.

It seems the only thing SteelSeries got right with their mice is the shape, and that's because some pro players had input, anything they had to decide they pretty much missed the point by a long shot, like adding huge side buttons on a claw grip mouse.

The cable on Kana V2 is also actually more stiff than the cable in Kana V1 despite being thinner.

So what mouse to use with such good shape, the Kana V2 with lots of smoothing, very high LOD, stiff cable or the Kana V1 with less smoothing but horrible sensor frame rate, prediction, stiff cable. Ive been using the Kana V1 for months and the sensor still feels horrible in terms of feel.

I think I'm gonna switch to G502 when it comes out and hopefully its shape will suit me.

Moral of the story, too many clueless people who probably don't even play games casually are designing "gaming mice". They take some advice from the pro players they are claiming to be working with, but all in all the decisions they make are mostly focused on one question "Will we sell these mice to the average casual gamer who is impressed by high dpi, sleek design, and lights?". SteelSeries is the worst in this regards because when they started they claimed to be centered towards pure performance for pro players, but what they are is another Razer wannabe with lower quality of components.
post #14 of 42
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Originally Posted by Oeshon View Post

Kana V2 has smoothing, and unfortunately it does ruin the mouse for me. I wanted to switch from the Kana V1 to it, but it seems the Kana V1 at 800 dpi is still better because of the lower lift off distance and less smoothing.

They also managed to completely screw up the coating on the glossy edition of Kana V2. Glossy coating is for dry hands, that's the logical explanation for it. So what does SteelSeries do, they put slippery rubber coating on the sides, and just a glossy top. So know the Kana V2 white is harder to control than the glossy white Kana V1.

It seems the only thing SteelSeries got right with their mice is the shape, and that's because some pro players had input, anything they had to decide they pretty much missed the point by a long shot, like adding huge side buttons on a claw grip mouse.

The cable on Kana V2 is also actually more stiff than the cable in Kana V1 despite being thinner.

So what mouse to use with such good shape, the Kana V2 with lots of smoothing, very high LOD, stiff cable or the Kana V1 with less smoothing but horrible sensor frame rate, prediction, stiff cable. Ive been using the Kana V1 for months and the sensor still feels horrible in terms of feel.

I think I'm gonna switch to G502 when it comes out and hopefully its shape will suit me.

Moral of the story, too many clueless people who probably don't even play games casually are designing "gaming mice". They take some advice from the pro players they are claiming to be working with, but all in all the decisions they make are mostly focused on one question "Will we sell these mice to the average casual gamer who is impressed by high dpi, sleek design, and lights?". SteelSeries is the worst in this regards because when they started they claimed to be centered towards pure performance for pro players, but what they are is another Razer wannabe with lower quality of components.

V2 cable harder than V1? Damn, I have not tried V2 but V1 got one of the worst cables ever, didn't think it could get much harder than that... Also Ikari optical and Rival have very stiff and bad cables as well.
post #15 of 42
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Originally Posted by daav1d View Post

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Originally Posted by Oeshon View Post

Kana V2 has smoothing, and unfortunately it does ruin the mouse for me. I wanted to switch from the Kana V1 to it, but it seems the Kana V1 at 800 dpi is still better because of the lower lift off distance and less smoothing.

They also managed to completely screw up the coating on the glossy edition of Kana V2. Glossy coating is for dry hands, that's the logical explanation for it. So what does SteelSeries do, they put slippery rubber coating on the sides, and just a glossy top. So know the Kana V2 white is harder to control than the glossy white Kana V1.

It seems the only thing SteelSeries got right with their mice is the shape, and that's because some pro players had input, anything they had to decide they pretty much missed the point by a long shot, like adding huge side buttons on a claw grip mouse.

The cable on Kana V2 is also actually more stiff than the cable in Kana V1 despite being thinner.

So what mouse to use with such good shape, the Kana V2 with lots of smoothing, very high LOD, stiff cable or the Kana V1 with less smoothing but horrible sensor frame rate, prediction, stiff cable. Ive been using the Kana V1 for months and the sensor still feels horrible in terms of feel.

I think I'm gonna switch to G502 when it comes out and hopefully its shape will suit me.

Moral of the story, too many clueless people who probably don't even play games casually are designing "gaming mice". They take some advice from the pro players they are claiming to be working with, but all in all the decisions they make are mostly focused on one question "Will we sell these mice to the average casual gamer who is impressed by high dpi, sleek design, and lights?". SteelSeries is the worst in this regards because when they started they claimed to be centered towards pure performance for pro players, but what they are is another Razer wannabe with lower quality of components.

V2 cable harder than V1? Damn, I have not tried V2 but V1 got one of the worst cables ever, didn't think it could get much harder than that... Also Ikari optical and Rival have very stiff and bad cables as well.

The cable is NOT harder then kana v1.
I got Kana v1 and 3 kana v2.
Kana v2 cable is much better then v1.

That said It is still quite stiff, but no where near v1 level. It had one of the hardest cables ever.
post #16 of 42
Kana v2 LOD is way too high which makes it feel very sloppy. It's over sized side buttons leave very little room to grip it comfortably or to manipulate it confidently. The FK '14 and kinzu v2 pro are much better for me. (finger tip grip, 33cm-360, CS:GO & QL)
post #17 of 42
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Originally Posted by lakair View Post

Kana v2 LOD is way too high which makes it feel very sloppy. It's over sized side buttons leave very little room to grip it comfortably or to manipulate it confidently. The FK '14 and kinzu v2 pro are much better for me. (finger tip grip, 33cm-360, CS:GO & QL)

Tapefix takes about 2 seconds, and after that it stops tracking on 1 cd, very hard biggrin.gif
Sidebuttons is ofc a individual thing. I have no problems at all with the size of them.
I did however swap side shell for kana v1 because kana v2 black "rubberized" is extremly slippery and pure garbage.
post #18 of 42
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Originally Posted by skuko View Post

i too have sttled on kana v2 after using he avior, rival and a handful of other mice. it's simply the best for me in terms of ergonomics. tapemodded it and it's pretty much perfect.

How does that tapemod look?

On topic:
I'd have to give the title to the FK aswell. Nothing even comes close.
Even compared to other mice known to have flawless tracking like the G400 or the DA3.5G the FKs tracking feels noticeably better to me.
Not sure what it is.
On top of that the FK is much lighter than those other mice and has a much better shape for me.

I do wish though that SS would release a firm ware update to the Kana V2 to fix the smoothing though.
I have a Kana V2 sensor build into a Kinzu, since that's the only sensor switching mod that was easy enough for me to do.
If the Kana sensor was good that would be the perfect mouse for me, as Kinzu is the perfect shape for me.
post #19 of 42
The FK is an awesome peripheral however it doesn't agree with my 70cm/360 sens in games faster than CS.
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post #20 of 42
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Originally Posted by metal571 View Post

The FK is an awesome peripheral however it doesn't agree with my 70cm/360 sens in games faster than CS.

How's that?
And why use 70/360 btw? Isn't that a bit overkill?
I don't think there's any top QL player with more than 50cm without accelleration.
Strenx uses 50/360 and it's already something that can turn into a disadvantage for him that other players take advantage of.
Since you seem to go trough so much trouble because of your low sensitivity, why not choose a higher one?
Can't really imagina that anyone needs 70/360.
Or why not use some acceleration? It's really not that hard to get used to, especially when your sensitivity is so high that you can keep your base sensitivity the same so that there's only a difference on fast swipes, where accuracy isn't that big of a deal.
Edited by RentoN - 4/24/14 at 11:34am
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