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post #21 of 42
70 cm for 360 wow smile.gif. You better be some sick aimer like Strenx to rock that low sens. Stermy aims like a beast with 23 cm for 360. It begs the question do people really need that low sens or is it just something they forced themselves to get used to. You have world class aimers like Strenx and Evil using Kinzu V1 at 2 ms and they don't hit malfunction speed while using it at 30 - 40 cm for 360.

However in this forum people who don't have 10% aiming capability of the pros hit the malfunction speed. Makes u think if there are lots of low sens noobs here who have bad aim and just slide their mouse as fast they can at low sensitivity without having much accuracy. Its something that has been crossing my mind from reading comments of people who say they cant play with a mouse that has lower than 5 ms.
post #22 of 42
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Originally Posted by RentoN View Post

How's that?

He means the PCS of ~3.2 m/s is too low.
Works for me still at 60cm/360, but not in TF2 for example, especially with fast rocket jumps etc. BF is no problem though.
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post #23 of 42
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70 cm for 360 wow smile.gif. You better be some sick aimer like Strenx to rock that low sens. Stermy aims like a beast with 23 cm for 360. It begs the question do people really need that low sens or is it just something they forced themselves to get used to. You have world class aimers like Strenx and Evil using Kinzu V1 at 2 ms and they don't hit malfunction speed while using it at 30 - 40 cm for 360.

However in this forum people who don't have 10% aiming capability of the pros hit the malfunction speed. Makes u think if there are lots of low sens noobs here who have bad aim and just slide their mouse as fast they can at low sensitivity without having much accuracy. Its something that has been crossing my mind from reading comments of people who say they cant play with a mouse that has lower than 5 ms.

If I was playing quake I'd use a higher sens too, when I was playing comp TF2 as a soldier my sens was around 30 cm/360 I think, maybe even less. I only switched to lower sens when I had to play scout (hitscan only, very close quarters, every shot matters) and found myself outgunned by other scouts. Lowering my sens helped a lot with that. Still it does not make me aim like the very top guys, but I know I perform more consistently that way.

If I could be as accurate and consistent as I am at low sens with a higher sens I would use that.
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post #24 of 42
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Originally Posted by RentoN View Post

How's that?
And why use 70/360 btw? Isn't that a bit overkill?
I don't think there's any top QL player with more than 50cm without accelleration.
Strenx uses 50/360 and it's already something that can turn into a disadvantage for him that other players take advantage of.
Since you seem to go trough so much trouble because of your low sensitivity, why not choose a higher one?
Can't really imagina that anyone needs 70/360.
Or why not use some acceleration? It's really not that hard to get used to, especially when your sensitivity is so high that you can keep your base sensitivity the same so that there's only a difference on fast swipes, where accuracy isn't that big of a deal.

No. Just no. My aim sucks in general, so I needed a crutch somewhere. I've only been playing FPS for about 7 years, not as long as you CS beta guys. My 20-30% assault rifle accuracy speaks for itself in my BF4 stats. The point is not to have hardware limit you, but rather take maximum advantage of what the hardware can do. That's why I have the Talent, a super low sensitivity, and a 3310 mouse. I've trained myself to 70cm for a couple months now and changing would be like starting back from zero again, it's important to keep one sensitivity and stick with it, but you already know this as a competitive player.
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post #25 of 42
Ah I see. Usually the sweet spot seems to be for most of the really good players from what I have seen is from 23-35 cm. In Quake especially they tend to use some accel when passing the 30 cm mark, otherwise you will have a hard time doing a 180 or a 360 which is more than needed in many situations. In Counter Strike also the best aimers tend to always lean between 30 - 35 max.

However in CS since you cover less angles that long distance tracking is more important, less so in Quake.

But yeah I understand completely if you want to give yourself that much room for error with 70cm, as long as you feel comfortable smile.gif
post #26 of 42
Haha, I actually injured myself pretty severely about 3 years ago flickshotting back in black ops on a similar sensitivity back when I finally got a mouse that could handle super low sens (DA 3.5G), took me a very long time to recover and now I actually require a good easygoing warmup before getting serious every time I play. It's tough on your wrist to play but well worth it once you get used to it. I can't even count how many times I've been called a straight up cheat, it's almost every server now. Typical pubs...lol.
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post #27 of 42
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The Kana v2 just feels absolutely lagfree and responsive. the lod is what i would call the optimum. those zowie lods if you control a am are way to low, so low that it's disturbing even small lifts without purpose plus that custom lense doesn't offer good raw tracking.

the kana hasn't smoothing at all. i tested it in paint. smoothing is only reconizable in those progs anyway. few months ago smoothing wasnt even a topic if we talked about mice and now everybody plays the paranoid and talks almost every mouse down with smoothing.

i just can repeat myself that the kana v2 feels best by all mice i tested. the grip, the whole feeling is outstanding. it feels clean compared to the avior 7000. it's hard to define what i mean, but it's like the rival and avior feel laggy in small amounts but the kana v2 offers direct tracking i don't even know better. it's awesome in my eyes and i can always trust my intuitive feeling more than other opinions. i just gotta see what i am able to do ingame and how the controlunit supports me. that's everything. smile.gif

it's all about a excellent feeling with a mouse to achieve your goals. all other aspects called by nerds aren't relevant so soon you hit your shots with a outstanding control.
so if you feel strong with the kana v2 other opinions are just unimportant.
Edited by mousefan - 4/24/14 at 12:53pm
post #28 of 42
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Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

Tapefix takes about 2 seconds, and after that it stops tracking on 1 cd, very hard biggrin.gif
Sidebuttons is ofc a individual thing. I have no problems at all with the size of them.
I did however swap side shell for kana v1 because kana v2 black "rubberized" is extremly slippery and pure garbage.

The idea that when you buy a new product you should have to attach bits of tape to it in order to make it work in an acceptable manner is ridiculous but somehow accepted as normal on these forums. Zowie managed to figure out how produce a very good LOD with a 3090 but Steel Series couldn't be bothered.
Edited by lakair - 4/24/14 at 12:55pm
post #29 of 42
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The idea that when you buy a new product you should have to attach bits of tape to it in order to make it work in an acceptable manner is ridiculous but it's somehow accepted as normal on these forums. Zowie managed to figure out how produce a very good LOD with a 3090 but Steel Series couldn't be bothered.

Some would say that Zowie's approach to fixing the LOD issue causes more problems than not. I'm not one of them, but there are trade offs that come with the magnification lens on that sensor. The odd DPI jumps and LOD that is so low that it stops tracking on some mouse surfaces, as well as the altered perfect control speed are all caused by the lens. Why is that any better than putting tape on a mouse and having it work perfectly fine, have a normal PCS, low LOD, and maintain the usual DPI steps?
post #30 of 42
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Here Kana V2 with 400 dpi left vs Zowie AM 450 dpi right.

the am is known for having no smoothing, but rather jitter at some steps from what i have heard.

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