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Instead we allow ISP's to pick and choose who gets preferential treatment. Isn't that the start of monopolies we're trying to avoid? How do tech startups get off the ground in this environment?

They already are area monopolies.

Again, the FCC's standards aren't up to par enough to police that situation.

Which is because of lack of funding. Which is because their funding gets continually cut. Which is largely because of former Gov't budgets.

So basically, we created this agency to police communications. Stripped their funding...And then expected them to modernize.

That's just stupid.

So now, in order to modernize, they have to revitalize their standards and make $$$$.

How do they do that? By regulating what they can via this new "data flow plan".

It is what it is...Nothing more, nothing less...Necessary is necessary.
post #122 of 153
"We screwed up. Give us more money and we'll try REALLY hard this time".
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"We screwed up. Give us more money and we'll try REALLY hard this time".

No. Wrong. So wrong, it hurts.

Please, read what I have said.

The FCC originally created standards for dial-up because they were given the funding to do so.

Now, we require them to update those standards since a supreme court judge has said they no longer apply and the FCC can't do anything because they don't have the money.

They don't have the money because Gov't funding went to war. It went to farmers. It went everywhere else BUT the FCC.

To blame the FCC is actually very stupid because it's not actually their fault...It's a lack of funding.

In this situation, in order to gain more funding, they swapped sides and said "Okay, Verizon - If you do this, we're going to regulate these (Ironically, there are regulations in place for this) charges and you'll pay us money". Verizon said "Okay".

So now, the FCC will get the funding necessary to update their standards and get the $$$$ necessary from the ISP's instead of the Gov't.

It's a necessary evil.

I really don't know how to explain it any clearer but, there's a legitimate issue at hand and one that you're not comprehending.

This isn't the FCC's fault. It's actually the fault of your elected officials.
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They already are area monopolies.

Again, the FCC's standards aren't up to par enough to police that situation.

Which is because of lack of funding. Which is because their funding gets continually cut. Which is largely because of former Gov't budgets.

So basically, we created this agency to police communications. Stripped their funding...And then expected them to modernize.

That's just stupid.

So now, in order to modernize, they have to revitalize their standards and make $$$$.

How do they do that? By regulating what they can via this new "data flow plan".

It is what it is...Nothing more, nothing less...Necessary is necessary.

The law should be that if there is a competitive environment charging for different speeds is fine as it provides a more competitive and affordable lower speed option to those who don't need it. The law then should say if there isn't a competitive environment that the speed should be unlimited and their prices adjusted by FCC not by their choice.
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Governments should open up forums to help people communicate with their government better. The amount of people wasting air on here, and not communicating with those to make some solutions pleasurable are just wasting their time.

(and going off-topic/bringing in political discussions into these boards)
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Governments should open up forums to help people communicate with their government better. The amount of people wasting air on here, and not communicating with those to make some solutions pleasurable are just wasting their time.

(and going off-topic/bringing in political discussions into these boards)

All we can do is vote. Forums like OCN will help shape the way people vote...even though OCN tries to stay as far from politics as possible I am sure some news posts ,and even discussions, on the website have swayed people one way or the other. Or rather helped them understand the issue better so they can actually have a more informed vote.
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Governments should open up forums to help people communicate with their government better. The amount of people wasting air on here, and not communicating with those to make some solutions pleasurable are just wasting their time.

(and going off-topic/bringing in political discussions into these boards)

All we can do is vote. Forums like OCN will help shape the way people vote...even though OCN tries to stay as far from politics as possible I am sure some news posts ,and even discussions, on the website have swayed people one way or the other.

OCN is too small. You can make discussions, but it would be much more effective of having a direct link to an effective mass of people that will vote as opposed to a bunch of people not. OCN won't sway the minds of a significant portion of voters. Reddit can make a small impact...but that is just due to popularity.
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Governments should open up forums to help people communicate with their government better. The amount of people wasting air on here, and not communicating with those to make some solutions pleasurable are just wasting their time.

(and going off-topic/bringing in political discussions into these boards)

All we can do is vote. Forums like OCN will help shape the way people vote...even though OCN tries to stay as far from politics as possible I am sure some news posts ,and even discussions, on the website have swayed people one way or the other.

OCN is too small. You can make discussions, but it would be much more effective of having a direct link to an effective mass of people that will vote as opposed to a bunch of people not. OCN won't sway the minds of a significant portion of voters. Reddit can make a small impact...but that is just due to popularity.

OCN is just a tiny part of a big picture. Really I should replace "OCN" with "Internet forums in general". I am just saying that all these types of forums are important and do have an effect.
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heres the thing, seems he is backpedalling
http://rt.com/usa/154628-fcc-wheeler-denies-reports/
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Tom Wheeler, a former cable industry lobbyist-turned-FCC chairman, wrote on the agency’s official blog on Thursday that those latest reports are brimming with “a great deal of misinformation” that will be clarified later in the day when the draft Open Internet Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in question is officially circulated among the commission.

Wheeler gave no indication of when the FCC will release those proposed rules to the public, however, but in his latest blog post he claims that the earlier reports were highly inaccurate.

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This is too important to be left unseen on the last page. Seems these reports may not be entirely true. Let's wait for the real story before we allow this discussion to progress further with only speculative information.
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heres the thing, seems he is backpedalling
http://rt.com/usa/154628-fcc-wheeler-denies-reports/
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Tom Wheeler, a former cable industry lobbyist-turned-FCC chairman, wrote on the agency’s official blog on Thursday that those latest reports are brimming with “a great deal of misinformation” that will be clarified later in the day when the draft Open Internet Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in question is officially circulated among the commission.

Wheeler gave no indication of when the FCC will release those proposed rules to the public, however, but in his latest blog post he claims that the earlier reports were highly inaccurate.

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This is too important to be left unseen on the last page. Seems these reports may not be entirely true. Let's wait for the real story before we allow this discussion to progress further with only speculative information.


Yeah, he's talking about like the FCC is going to be monitoring who is getting charged and for what and if there is any potential economic impact. I haven't really heard any one considering that "back pedaling" though. And if he thinks the FCC is going to be monitoring everything...accurately and timely at least...he is down right delusional. They would have to be turned into near the largest Government organization to even attempt that. I have a feeling that this is one of those things that needs a blanket ruling that either allows it or doesn't allow it. There isn't going to be a functional middle ground.
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