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Public opinion matters not, FCC has been bought by the ISPs rolleyes.gif
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Please do tell us who we can vote for that isn't just as corrupted as the next guy? I'm waiting.

You vote for A or for B and you will bend over either way.

So sick of this "you voted for him" argument. No matter which party you vote for you are screwed. This 2 party system is broken beyond repair, yet people STILL follow their party so blindly. Ignorant sheeple of America.

I actually agree somewhat with your sentiment, but who said anything about that? I'm of neither party. Large unwieldy, rule by bureaucrat is what my comment is about, hence the FCC, unelected officials.

Who said anything about the other side? I know this though, I will never vote for supporters of large government. EVER, because this is what you get. The FCC, Department of Education, ATF (all legal products, why do they exist?), and numerous other bureaucratic agencies could shut down tomorrow and most American's wouldn't know the difference.

This FCC net neutrality problem is symptomatic of how congress, with it's lowest approval ratings ever, have ceded their oversight and duties to countless un-elected bureaucrats.
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I actually agree somewhat with your sentiment, but who said anything about that? I'm of neither party. Large unwieldy, rule by bureaucrat is what my comment is about, hence the FCC, unelected officials.

Who said anything about the other side? I know this though, I will never vote for supporters of large government. EVER, because this is what you get. The FCC, Department of Education, ATF (all legal products, why do they exist?), and numerous other bureaucratic agencies could shut down tomorrow and most American's wouldn't know the difference.

This FCC net neutrality problem is symptomatic of how congress, with it's lowest approval ratings ever, have ceded their oversight and duties to countless un-elected bureaucrats.

You think it would be better if we elected the FCC?

The independence of things like the FCC, FEC, the SEC, and Federal Reserve are the only way any of them get anything done.
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Originally Posted by LancerVI View Post

I actually agree somewhat with your sentiment, but who said anything about that? I'm of neither party. Large unwieldy, rule by bureaucrat is what my comment is about, hence the FCC, unelected officials.

Who said anything about the other side? I know this though, I will never vote for supporters of large government. EVER, because this is what you get. The FCC, Department of Education, ATF (all legal products, why do they exist?), and numerous other bureaucratic agencies could shut down tomorrow and most American's wouldn't know the difference.

This FCC net neutrality problem is symptomatic of how congress, with it's lowest approval ratings ever, have ceded their oversight and duties to countless un-elected bureaucrats.

Suppose I got a little carried away, seeing how you can't vote for the FCC chairman. redface.gif
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You think it would be better if we elected the FCC?

The independence of things like the FCC, FEC, the SEC, and Federal Reserve are the only way any of them get anything done.

NO. I want congress to do their duty and exercise it's oversight instead of ceding their Constitutionally mandated duties to an un-elected official.

It's 'pie in the sky,' because congress is always looking to the next election, so doing your actual job is hard to do when you're in campaign mode 24/7 - 365. That's the heart of the problem. That's why we see the FCC run roughshod along with other bureaucratic agencies.
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I wonder if they even realize what the future implications of this decision are? Good luck opening up a new start up streaming service if you can't afford to get the "fast track plan", or can't due to existing legal contracts already made to other providers.

I wonder if they are thinking this is good in some way and not just cashing a check, though. People can be that dumb. Though, if I really think about it, this might actually be good for me, currently. I only access a few specific things on the Internet with any regularity. I wouldn't mind a plan like $25 for access...and then packages where you can get fast track access to what you really want to access. I mean that is what I stomp my feet about in the Television arena...a cafeteria plan.

Though in this case anything else will just be a tad slower. If I don't have the plan to access OCN on the fast track it will still load...it will not be blocked. It will just load at throttled bandwidth. Most websites would not even be effected by this since as long as you are getting 1Mbs or so most webpages load in the blink of an eye anyway unless ISPs really clamp it down to where you are getting 56kbs or something if you are not paying for the fast track...and I don't think even the FCC would allow that. I think I'd actually like spending $5 extra a month and have Netflix get extra bandwidth and hopefully not count towards my data cap (I doubt it, but you never know)...same would go for Steam. Though this would require the "Fast Track" to apply to the consumer end of the Internet Connection. Right now, I think this would mainly apply to the server end...so Netflix would be the one to pay more for Internet access...though we in turn would need to pay more for Netflix. However, I don't think anything is preventing it from getting it applied to both ends...ISPs already offer consumers different packages.

Actual online gaming shouldn't really be effected provided your ping stays down. You are typically uploading and downloading very small amounts of data while playing. Bandwidth shouldn't matter...again, provided they don't clamp it down to just a trickle of bandwidth.Though if the owners of the game server didn't have fast track access it might clog up fast and downloading the game and patches might take a while if there wasn't fast track on both ends.

So there might be an graphene thin silver lining...the grandma's of the Internet that just email and make a few posts on face book might be able to be given a Internet package for a few dollars a month...but for heavy internet users that are all over the place this is bad. It is the future that I am more concerned with. This has too much potential to really bite every one in the butt save for the current top dogs on the Internet.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 4/24/14 at 8:32am
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I wonder if they even realize what the future implications of this decision are? Good luck opening up a new start up streaming service if you can't afford to get the "fast track plan", or can't due to existing legal contracts already made to other providers.

This is exactly what I'm concerned about. Would Twitch have been able to get off the ground if it had to pay exorbitant fees to Comcast?
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There is no Jerrry, Jerry here...that is one thing I actually like about the FCC.

The FCC is probably the one organization that the whole Internet can come together and hate. grouphug.gif I used to say that about Apple, but then the fan boys appeared.


Though some people and I have been talking around the shop...how would VPNs come into play? If this appeared on the consumer end I doubt the last mile's equipment is going to be able to do any deep packet inspecting on top of just figuring out who has fast track access to what...which would be probably just be a stateful packet inspection...but it would have to be done all over the place and be no small amount of processing.
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There is no Jerrry, Jerry here...that is one thing I actually like about the FCC.

The FCC is probably the one organization that the whole Internet can come together and hate. grouphug.gif I used to say that about Apple, but then the fan boys appeared.


While the whole internet can come together and hate it, I think apple still overall gets more hate.
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