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Hi, everyone!
I was building my rigs for more than 15 years since I was 16 or so, but never had WC'd one. So now obviously I want to correct this smile.gif

I'm going to wait until Devil's Canyon hits the market and the start the build. Most probably it will be 4790K with double 780 Ti in Phanteks Enthoo Primo. Nothing is bought yet, except 1 EVGA reference 780 Ti Superclocked, that I'm using in my current rig and so nothing is yet set in stone.

So regarding the loop I want it to be as silent as possible. Also it would be nice to have some overclocking until it comes at the price of noticeable noise. I'll be cooling CPU and 2 GUPs and also want to add to the loop memory and/or MB chipset for aesthetics only.

Now about WC components .

- Rads: Looks like iI need to dissipate little bit under 600 Watts of heat at stock clxoks. And I really do not want to pass beyond 1500 RPM or better 1000-1200 on fans. I'm choosing between Black Ice SR-1 and UT60.According to martinsliquidlab.org charts (for example here - http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/08/hardware-labs-sr1-360/4/) to keep fans on or around 1000 RPM in push only I need 12 sections of rad space. This is doable in the case of my choice (2x480 and 2x240 on the side and the front), however I doubt this is wise, so bringing fans to 1400 RPM leaves us with 9 sections in push only - so making the rads to be 480/360/240 or 2x480 + 240 (yes, I know this is 10 smile.gif )

The question is - am I right in my calculations and what you think is the best rads config for this loop? Also will going from push to push/pull bring up the noise even with the low RPM fans? Should I go this way?

- Pump(s): Is single D5 enough for this loop? Or should I go with 2 serial D5's or even two separate loops? I just do not want to put second res into this case, because it will block the view of the GPUs, that I want to avoid. But if the benefits of having two loops are great I certanly will go this way.

- Fans: I think I'll go with GT's AF 15 and use fan controller to slow them down if possible. Another option are Noiseblockers. Which are better?
Is the fan controller in Enthoo Primo is good enough or should I put separate?

Money is not the issue for this build, but I still don't want to dump hundreds into something I will never use. Thats why I'm thinking about Enthoo Primo and not CaseLabs TH10 - $230 vs $600+ do not make me fill comfortable smile.gif

I will probably order the case in the next week or two and start planning the loop more precisely and keep posting questions to this thread, so I bet there will be plenty of them.

Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 7
There is no fix amount of heat a rad can cool, even at a given specific RPM.
For example, if Martin's site tells you that a given rad will cool 300W of heat at 1000 rpm on a delta T of 10 C, that same rad would probably cool 600W of heat at the exact same speed if you allow the dT to drift up to 15 C or so.

But if you have room for 120.10 of raddage, that is PLENTY of rads for your proposed build.

Yes, a single D5 will do for your build. But I would advise against RAM water cooling, a waste of money and pump power.

Gentle Typhoons are superior to any other fans you can think of. I'll let someone else speak to that:
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Honestly, there is no comparable fans to the Gentle Typhoons in terms of a balance of radiator airflow & noise, but a whole lot of others that come in a distant cumulative 2nd place - all comparably the same - take your pick. Just look at Martin's test results ...

Martin's Rad airflow to Noise level chart

Full size image link

That chart shows each fan's rad airflow to noise level curve. The closer the fan's curve is to the bottom right corner of the chart the better its balance is of radiator performance vs noise. As you can see, the Gentle Typhoon lineup stands well apart from all the others, or, if you really don't mind louder, but with a similar performance curve, then there's the Delta VHEs, but other than that they're all just one big glob bunched together so you can't hardly tell one from another.

However, you will have a vey hard time finding AP-15 fans right now.
I suggest the AP-45 which spins at 2150 RPM. But my CW611 can slow them down to an amazing 200 RPM.
But if you want them, I suggest you buy them RIGHT NOW as they are disappearing fast and you will have a hard time finding any GT fans very soon. Here is where you can buy AP-45 fans right now:
https://www.dazmode.com/store/product/scythe_gentle_typhoon_2150rpm_69cfm_30db_fan/

Push/pull should be just a little more quiet than push alone. As you probably would get the same performance in p/p @ 800 RPM, versus push alone @ 1000 RPM.

For fan controller I suggest the CW611, or the Aquaero 6 if you can afford it.

Once you go under water, you will never be able to tolerate an other ugly air sink on your CPU.
Water cooling is like crack man, addictive.
Only water cooling will rape your bank account faster.
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But if you have room for 120.10 of raddage, that is PLENTY of rads for your proposed build.

Yeah I'm sure its possible, however I haven't seen the case yet. Only reviews, manufacturers site, etc. But keeping in mine what you said about the delta I think I'll start with 2x480.

I also guess there is no big difference between UT60 and SR-1?
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But I would advise against RAM water cooling, a waste of money and pump power.
I know, I know smile.gif May be its really better idea to put that money for example into good fan controller.
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But if you want them, I suggest you buy them RIGHT NOW as they are disappearing fast and you will have a hard time finding any GT fans very soon. Here is where you can buy AP-45 fans right now:
https://www.dazmode.com/store/product/scythe_gentle_typhoon_2150rpm_69cfm_30db_fan/

Ok, big thanks for an advice. Just looked - its not possible to get AP-15 now, but AP-14 are available. So guess the best thing to do - is to stock 10-16 of them right now.
So, what is better - in my case AP-15 or AP-45 or may be even a mix of them? (Damn thats lot of money just for fans)
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Once you go under water, you will never be able to tolerate an other ugly air sink on your CPU.
Water cooling is like crack man, addictive.
Only water cooling will rape your bank account faster.

thumb.gif Thanks =)
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The UT60 has just a little bit better performance than the SR-1, at cheaper price too.

If I had to pick between AP-15 and AP-45, I would pick the AP-45.
They can both be turned down with a fan controller for complete silence.
But the AP-45 has more power in reserve if you need it.

But you don't have that luxury. No AP-15's for you my friend.
They are very very hatd to get.
And those AP-45's will soon be gone too.
Than nobody knows if we are ever going to see them on the market again, or when, if ever.

And don't forget that the link I gave you is in Canadian $.
In US $ it's about 16-17$ each, not 20$.
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The UT60 has just a little bit better performance than the SR-1, at cheaper price too.
But you don't have that luxury. No AP-15's for you my friend.
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Of course I meant AP-14. Just a typo while I was thinking about AP-15
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And don't forget that the link I gave you is in Canadian $.
In US $ it's about 16-17$ each, not 20$.

Nice, didn't notice that.
Edited by Abalak - 4/24/14 at 10:29am
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Ordered 16 of the AP-45's biggrin.gif Even if not all of them will be used in a build will keep them for future.
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Hey!
Way I see it, you'd have no problems selling them for 25-30$ in a few months. AP-45's are rare and hard to get. They will get harder to get soon.
But don't you dare try to beat my build with my 39 AP-45's. biggrin.gif
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