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I'm soon going to buy a new gaming and I need your help to know if the FX-8320 is powerful enough to not bottleneck a r9 280x crossfire.

Unfortunately, this will depend on the game or the program and the resolution and the settings. It does not matter what CPU you pair with what GPU, one or the other can always be the bottleneck in the right conditions. Try not to think of it in terms of eliminating bottlenecks, rather, think of it in terms of making sure that the minimum performance caused by those bottlenecks does not fall below what you consider acceptable.

Mixing $150 worth of CPU with $600 worth of GPU is only going to make sense from a hardware utilization standpoint if you're on at LEAST 2560 x 1600 resolution. I wouldn't bother until 4K or 5760x1080. Anything less and the GPUs are going to go under utilized pretty often.
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I will use this rig only for gaming and sometimes, photoshop. I plan to play to a lot of games but the ones I'll probably spend the more time on are:

- BF4
- Arma
- Titanfall
- Rome II
- Starcraft
- Shadow of Mordor

Gaming is a "real-time" workload. Real-time workload performance scales up better with improved per-core performance morose than an equal increase in core count. Simply put, if you have the choice of a single core, a dual core, a quad core, a hex core, or octa core CPU, but they ALL have the same combined theoretical compute performance, then you'll get the best performance in real-time workloads on the really powerful single core CPU.

Unfortunately, in todays environment, there are no single core CPUs that add up to the performance of any high core count CPUs, so it is best to strike a balance between core count and per-core performance that will give you the best possible results in the most possible workloads.

Photoshop happens to be a non-real-time workload, that surprisingly, doesn't favor ultra-high core count CPUs very well either. In fact, many operations are still performed on a single thread, and even GPU acceleration functions are CPU bottleneck on all but the weakest GPUs.

SC2, Arma games, and Photoshop will all run up to 80% faster on the i5-4670K than an FX-8320 at equal clocks under some conditions. In BF4 they will run pretty similarly. I'm not familiar with the performance of those other game titles for these CPUs.

Think of an i5-4670K, as a CPU that has consolidated the performance of all 8 cores of the FX-8320, into just 4 cores. What this means, is that, when the i5 is at it's worst and the FX-8320 is at it's best, they perform very similarly, with a narrow margin sometimes going for the FX chip, but when the workload is reversed, and the FX-8320 is at it's worst, it can be up to 40% slower than the i5-4670K.
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From what I've read on other forums (before discovering this wonderful community) and on reviews, the I5 4670-k is the best processor for gaming. Is there a big between the I5 4670-k and the 8320fx for gaming? Do you think it is worth to get one?

If you're spending $600 on GPUs, you'd be well served to spend the extra $60-80 on the CPU. You can "recoup" this difference in CPU cost by sizing down the PSU and HSF expenditures since the i5 dissipates significantly less power.
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What could be the max clock speed I could reach with the h100i and the FXA-UD3?

Heavily depends on the silicon lottery. Could be anywhere from 4.5-5ghz.
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If I overclock my CPU to 4.9 ghz for example, will it always be working at this frequency and heat up even when just being on YouTube or does it only heat up when using demanding programs?

A properly done overclock will still have low-power-states in tact, and will idle with low power dissipation.
     
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I agree with mdocod.Spend more and get i5-4670k and a good mobo like msi z77 gd65 gaming.Going for 8320 is a bad idea when using two gpu as everyone knows AMD performance is pretty poor compared to Intel.
    
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Mdocod is becoming my second favorite member on OCN after shilka biggrin.gif
Really nice to read and to know something new.
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Hey OCN smile.gif

I'm soon going to buy a new gaming and I need your help to know if the FX-8320 is powerful enough to not bottleneck a r9 280x crossfire.

An 8320 will bottleneck even a single R7 260x. In fact, even at 5GHz it will still bottleneck a single card in plenty of situations.

While an i7 is undoubtedly better for most gaming and real time stuff, it's not simply the answer. The answer is you're almost always going to see a CPU bottleneck regardless of your CPU. An i7 can also bottleneck a GTX 550 Ti. Whether or not the bottleneck causes a problem depends on what you expect to get out of your system. If below 60 FPS at any time is unacceptable, you're going to be disappointed no matter how much money you throw at a system, but if you're ok with the occasional drop, there are plenty of CPUs on the market that do the job fine. The 8320 is one of those, but it'll drop you down to 30 FPS well before an i5 will.

Here are some games that get bottlenecked with a 2600K at 4.0GHz and a GTX 550 Ti.
WoW: Raids, cities, world-bosses
Starcraft: Late game battles with tons of units
Killing Floor: Custom games, 300+ zombies on the map, etc.

In each of those games my min FPS is around 15 and the max is often well over 300.
My usage is usually 25% - 40% for the CPU, and 99% for the GPU when I'm at those framerates. When it drops, it's typically 25% to 30%, and 5-20% GPU.

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If I overclock my CPU to 4.9 ghz for example, will it always be working at this frequency and heat up even when just being on YouTube or does it only heat up when using demanding programs?

Yeah.
Watching a you tube video at 4.9GHz will still result in higher temps.

It won't lead to 80c, but if your idle/youtube temperatures were 30c before the OC, you might find them at 40 or 45c with the overclock. If your load temps were 80c before the overclock, they might get up to 100c.
Everything scales up almost evenly for the most part, if you want to look at it simply. High overclocks start to become less and less efficient though so with very high clock speeds temps might get crazier on full loads.

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Does it reduce its life time?

Overclocking supposedly reduces the life of the chips, but since CPUs last so long I think the tradeoff is worth it. Just keep it at a reasonable temp.
It's very likely you won't even see the death of your CPU if it is overclocked, and will replace it before that time comes. It's more likely it'll see the garbage, ebay or craigslist before death.
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I'm not kidding you biggrin.gif BF4 my 660 barely even works while my I7 is taking the work smile.gif
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I'm not kidding you biggrin.gif BF4 my 660 barely even works while my I7 is taking the work smile.gif

Wut? You running 800x600?
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In your list of games, I only know of Starcraft being a real problem. It runs much better on Intel, like literally double the FPS compared to AMD, which might mean a lot in large battles or team games (as you might know). This game could end up very disappointing on the FX-8320.

I don't know what's going on with Rome II (it might be similar).

I don't know what's going on with Arma. I only heard things like "it's optimized badly" but have no first hand experience. You should definitely check that one out before making a decision.

Intel isn't that terrible with regards to the price you'll have to pay even if you want to overclock it. You are able to cheap out on the motherboard as the CPU uses very little power in comparison to the FX-8320. You can buy close to the cheapest board you find and will still always be limited by the CPU's heat not getting out of the chip and into your cooler.
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Wut? You running 800x600?

Running 1920x1080 on Medium and my CPU is taking more load then my GPU but really a 660GTX is like a fat kid trying to keep up with an athlete when it comes to the I7..
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Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't your gpu be running in or around 100% when gaming. If it's not then there's obviously a problem or you should up your graphics settings....
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Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't your gpu be running in or around 100% when gaming. If it's not then there's obviously a problem or you should up your graphics settings....

Yes. It should.
If it isn't then you're experiencing a CPU bottleneck. Either that or you're using V-Sync, or another form of capped FPS.

Settings low or not, it should still use 99%. With low settings, you should just see like 1000 FPS at full GPU usage and if not then you're seeing a CPU bottleneck or a GPU bottleneck maybe due to the bandwidth and not so much the processing capability.
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