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I'm on record saying that the card is a joke so I don't think so lmao tongue.gif

C'mon, you know you want one. yessir.gif
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C'mon, you know you want one. yessir.gif

Might be interested if it was $500. I need a htpc GPU anyway. tongue.gif

Seriously though I own enough dual GPU cards from both camps to know that dual GPU on a single PCB is always a meh experience for an enthusiast. In the past it was sometimes an okay-ish (though still quite questionable) value decision to go for the single card and sacrifice some things over a full blown dual card setup because the price was lower. But these days with the prices we have it makes absolutely no sense unless you're running ITX. Everyone on OCN with a full length ATX mobo is going to get more out of the cheaper dual card setup.
 
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I still don't see why people think it's mainly for gaming. Yes it has the Geforce monicker, but even Nvidia themselves advertised it as a compute-card when they revealed it during the GTC conference (which I attended). Never once did they even mention gaming during the whole annoucement and they continued to give examples of a single TitanZ card that could compete with servers that had multiple Quadros installed.

But if you can afford to buy this beast just to use it for gaming, then props to you for being a straight up baller. thumb.gif

And why should anyone bother with it, if its not for gaming, when you can get 2x Titan Black for 1000$ less, are they not for compute as well?
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Sorry, but ppl - including nVidia presenters - should stop throwing @@ out there:

How is the Titan Z any better than 2x Titans in anything but requiring 3x slots vs. 4x slots, I don't get.
Yes, there are more motherboards that can "work" (along with the proper tower) to have 2x Titan Zs instead of 4x Titans/780Tis, but the price penalty for the Z is just overcoming any excuse not to get those 4x dual slot-card capable motherboards.
Also breaks the base of design (i.e. 2-slot cards) for GPGPU oriented barebones, like the Tyan FT77A (up to 8x dual slot cards).

The fact that we might see 6GB 780Ti soon, makes it even worse for the Titan Z, as - despite being quoted so often as the anecdotal advantage of the Titan series - the DP/FP64 boost is pretty much useless for artists/workstations/viewport acceleration. Exactly because this aspect is so penalized in most cards (including all but the most advanced Quadro/Firepro cards that make the Titan Z a bargain), devs for DCC programs don't really put that many eggs in this basket.

The same Devs - and nVidia driver devs ontop - are also ignoring SLI. So outside compute that doesn't care about SLI/CFX, you will be using only one GK110 on the Z.
And for example Adobe CC, the most popular suite with GPGPU capabilities, will be using only one GK110 out of the 2, not one per Z, but one GK110 - period.
And for Adobe, R9s/GCN cards are better accelerators than the GK110 to begin with.

So that leaves the Titan Z nothing but a $1000-per-slot-saver card, for gamers that are predisposed against 2 discreet cards (but not most ITX aspired builders) and some CG artists that really care for CUDA progressive rendering, and would like to do Quadro display driving + 4x GK110 GPUs in a single ATX box. Most E-ATX boards will let you go 3x Titans, now you can effectively get 4x, but again, there would be no performance advantage over 780Tis, and no VRam advantage if 6GB Tis are out and cheaper enough than a Titan to make sense not getting the latter. But this is such a small market, it makes little sense, and most artists would prefer getting 3x GK110 cards for the price of a single Z. I mean, 3xGK110 6GB for $3000 in your average midi/full tower GPGPU workstation is far better than 4xGK110 6GB for $6000. Especially when you can distribute that to more than one case over LAN, in which scenario you can scale up to much much more cards for the same money.

For the few running scientific and/or investing algorithms that favor the FP64 advantage, again, unless you are predisposed against having more than one physical card, I don't see why having multiple "individual" cards you be an issue worth investing $1500 per GK110 core instead of $1000 per core.

The Z is aimed mainly in the gaming world, sorry.
They can put whichever spin they want in it to justify the illogical price hike.

The site says it is a gaming card, the name says it is a gaming card, most of the buyers will get it to be a gaming card, almost no one will see the promo video having worked on GPGPU before, reasearched on compatible hardware options and not be able to see the obvious weaknesses stated above.
Edited by pcfoo - 4/24/14 at 10:38am
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Sorry, but ppl - including nVidia presenters - should stop throwing @@ out there:

How is the Titan Z any better than 2x Titans in anything but requiring 3x slots vs. 4x slots, I don't get.
Yes, there are more motherboards that can "work" (along with the proper tower) to have 2x Titan Zs instead of 4x Titans/780Tis, but the price penalty for the Z is just overcoming any excuse not to get those 4x dual slot-card capable motherboards.
Also breaks the base of design (i.e. 2-slot cards) for GPGPU oriented barebones, like the Tyan FT77A (up to 8x dual slot cards).

The fact that we might see 6GB 780Ti soon, makes it even worse for the Titan Z, as - despite being quoted so often as the anecdotal advantage of the Titan series - the DP/FP64 boost is pretty much useless for artists/workstations/viewport acceleration. Exactly because this aspect is so penalized in most cards (including all but the most advanced Quadro/Firepro cards that make the Titan Z a bargain), devs for DCC programs don't really put that many eggs in this basket.

The same Devs - and nVidia driver devs ontop - are also ignoring SLI. So outside compute that doesn't care about SLI/CFX, you will be using only one GK110 on the Z.
And for example Adobe CC, the most popular suite with GPGPU capabilities, will be using only one GK110 out of the 2. And for Adobe, R9s/GCN cards are better accelerators.

So that leaves the Titan Z nothing but a $1000-per-slot-saver card, for gamers that are predisposed against 2 discreet cards (but not most ITX aspired builders) and some CG artists that really care for CUDA progressive rendering, and would like to do Quadro display driving + 4x GK110 GPUs in a single ATX box. Most E-ATX boards will let you go 3x Titans, now you can effectively get 4x, but again, there would be no performance advantage over 780Tis, and no VRam advantage if 6GB Tis are out and cheaper enough than a Titan to make sense not getting the latter. But this is such a small market, it makes little sense, and most artists would prefer getting 3x GK110 cards for the price of a single Z. I mean, 3xGK110 6GB for $3000 in your average midi/full tower GPGPU workstation is far better than 4xGK110 6GB for $6000. Especially when you can distribute that to more than one case over LAN, in which scenario you can scale up to much much more cards for the same money.

The Z is aimed mainly in the gaming world, sorry.
They can put whichever spin they want in it to justify the illogical price hike.

The site says it is a gaming card, the name says it is a gaming card, most of the buyers will get it to be a gaming card, almost no one will see the promo video having worked on GPGPU before, reasearched on compatible hardware options and not be able to see the obvious weaknesses stated above.

Its not a slot saver when you can do single slot water cooled titans for half the price.
2 slots if you count the DVI or what ever port is on the top part of the bracket.
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These prices are getting out of hand.
$3k for a video card lol
You can build 3 high end computers for that much.
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Its not a slot saver when you can do single slot water cooled titans for half the price.
2 slots if you count the DVI or what ever port is on the top part of the bracket.

True, true, but not everybody is willing to de-solder or cut the 2-slot DVI port to allow for single slot use.
It will have no effect in performance, but reselling in the future is probably much harder, plus you are forfeiting any warranty.

I do agree that the 2x DVI ports are stupid.
I would prefer 2x mini DP / HDMI / DVI-D single slot layout as the one you see in AMD R9/79xx cards.

That would make super-GPGPU cable systems possible in many boards with lots of PCIe 16 slots, like Asus WS or Asrock extreme 11s, and some water blocks (e.g. XSPC) are easily chained with 1-slot spacing - probably the more would be too with custom designed bridges
Most WB manufacturers are pretty small and flexible, and respond pretty fast to this kind of demands.
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Gawd Kepler die already!
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Gawd Kepler die already!

We said the same thing about G92 when it came out. I thought that chip would NEVER die.

As far as architectures go, though, Kepler has had a very long run. It must be a fairly good architecture.
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GM200 is delayed, again. GK may still have more milking done to it.
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