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Hey there people,
I am an older gamer that has just got into the world of custom PC setups and have just finished my first project:

CPU: AMD FX8350
MOBO: ASUS Crosshair V Formula
GPU: 2 x HIS IceQX2 7970s (Crossfire)
MEM: 4 x 2GB Corsair Dominator GT 1866Mhz
PSU: Antec 850 Watt True Power Quatro GT
COOL: Corsair H50
SSD: 1 x 64gb sata 3 (O/S) 1 x 128gb sata 2 (Games)
HDD: Samsung F1 750gb (General)
CASE: Coolermaster Stormtrooper

All this took me about a year to eighteen months as I am just a Joe Blogs with little spare cash. (5 Kids.)

I now want to get into the world of watercooling and I am looking for advice on what sort of kit I would be looking at.

I have already acquired 2 XSPC 7970 Razor GPU full water blocks and have been looking at the XSPC RayStorm 750 EX280 and was wondering if this was a good move or not (is it man enough for the job?) I could add a second rad (240mm) to the front of case if required but just want advice.

The above are only thoughts. In no way am I locked into getting these just looking.

I am looking forward to the thoughts of experienced water cooler users as I find it very difficult to sit and read through pages and pages of numbers figures.

If I missed any required info out I apologize. Please remember I am what I believe you all call a nube.

Thanks very much in advance
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Edited by MrPhoenix - 4/24/14 at 3:11am
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I would say buying your own parts is better than the xspc 750 kit.
1. I hear the 750 pump sucks. A D5 pump or mcp 35x pump would be better.
2. The tubing in the kit is mediocre, the best tubing would be primochill advanced lrt.
3. You will need about 480mm of radiator with your setup at the least. (1 120mm + 1 120m per component rule) or more if you would like to keep the fans at low speeds.

Happy watercooling!
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post #3 of 16
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thanks malsmidx,
I will avoid this XSPC setup then, but any advice on what parts I should be looking at?
I only ask as there are many reviews for different setups but they are all very conflicting :-( & confusing.
post #4 of 16
There are so many ways to set up a loop and there's really not a "best" way, just too many variables.

CPU and 2 GPU's you need a minimum of 3.120 worth of rad.. Personally I prefer a thicker rad, 35-45mm with a 14fpi and low speed fans. Makes a quiet system. I would avoid the "kits" you can get much better components buying individually and not that much more money.

D5 pump(s) and primochill advanced lrt are pretty much the gold standard. Bay res or internal tube res? Your StormTrooper is made to support a pair of 240's, 1 top and 1 bottom.

My system is very close to yours, I'm cooling cpu, mosfet and 2 gpu's with a 360 and 240 rad. Only time I hear the fans is with the entire system at full load, they ramp up to about 1400 rpm. CPU runs in the 50's and GPU's in the low 60's.
post #5 of 16
Well, I would get a d5 or a ddc/mcp350 as they are two of the all time best pumps you can get. The tubing I would say makes less differance to be honest, but the right fittings will be important depending on how you would want your loop. You have the trooper uh? I have the stryker and I also run WC in mine. The case is good, but the actuall space inside the case is limited. That is because the space between the motherboard and the top is small.

There is basicly 1 option you can choose from, that I think is reasonable and require minimal modding:

1. One 30mm thick 240mm in the roof, one 60mm thick 240mm in the bottom and one 40mm thick 240mm on the outside in the back, using rad mounts, either home made or bought. Use this in combination with a ddc/d5 dual bay res or a res/top combo to the pumps.

If you want to mod, you can put a 40+mm thick 360 rad in the roof, but you need to cut out some metal, and a 60mm thich 240mm in the bottom.
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I would say buying your own parts is better than the xspc 750 kit.
1. I hear the 750 pump sucks. A D5 pump or mcp 35x pump would be better.
2. The tubing in the kit is mediocre, the best tubing would be primochill advanced lrt.
3. You will need about 480mm of radiator with your setup at the least. (1 120mm + 1 120m per component rule) or more if you would like to keep the fans at low speeds.

Happy watercooling!

the 750 pumps does suck, sounds like a fish tank pump.

I also second the tubing suggestion, go with the Primochill

and # 3 is very well said.
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post #7 of 16
Cpu block:
Xspc The one I currently have and would recommend.

Tubing:
Primochill lrt I would say this is a no brainer. Best tubing.

pump/reservoir:
Glass cylinder combo and or Bay reservoir combo.
Can also use any D5 pump or an mcp35x or similar with your preferred reservoir, just make sure that they are compatible(as in pumps with pump tops, d5 tops only fit on d5 pumps).

Radiator:
(my own preferred suggestion) Alphacool 240mm <2 radiators at 240mm each or any combination that adds up to about 480mm is recommended. The xt45 radiators are 45mm thick, 70mm with one fan in either push or pull, 95mm thick with push and pull, assuming the fans are 25mm thick. Measure the space where you plan to put them to check for clearance issues, don't forget to factor in the fan thickness when doing so (also whether using push, pull, or push and pull).

Fittings:
Any preferred fittings that match your tubing. For compression fittings you will have to make sure the inner diameter and outer diameter of the tubing is the same as the fittings. For barb fittings you only need to match the inner diameter, but barb fittings require clamps to keep the tubing on.
I count 12 fittings (2 cpu, 4 gpu, 4 radiator (if using 2x 240mm), 2 pump) Monsoon compression fitting(my current fittings).

Liquid/Coolant:
Distilled water is recommended with a Kill Coil.

Fans:
When buying fans make sure to choose based on Static Pressure and not CFM. Fans may be very loud, but this can be avoided by having more radiators and lowering fan speeds. Corsair High Static Pressure edition.

Other notes:
Be sure to do the psu power trick to turn on the pump when filling (do not fill with any pc components powered on as it may damage them because they will not receive immediate cooling)
Making a fill port at the top of your Rig can make filling easier and less messy.
A Quick Disconnect may be added near the bottom of the case for easy draining.

Also feel free to change parts around to fit your budget, if you feel you found something and need to know if its a good alternative just ask.


Please people feel free to add anything I missed thumb.gif

*Update*
You may use any reservoir to pump configuration (combo if you want, or seperate if you prefer), but make sure that your reservoir is before your pump, and slightly above your pump (gravity). Running your pump without water can easily damage it.
Edited by malzmidx - 4/25/14 at 11:41am
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post #8 of 16
I'd stay away from silver kill coil. Why add more metals to the galvanic soup when other options are available? Silver is old school anyways.

X1 from Mayhems is all you need with distilled water.

Alphacool rads ftw!

D5 Vario pump, mounted seperately from the res. Don't get a res/pump combo.

Thickest rads you can fit, saving space for push/pull (fans on both sides of the rads).
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post #9 of 16
The parts list you have is good OP,the pump is not the greatest but its something you can upgrade.
You will need a bare minimum of a 360,480 is recommended if you have the space.
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post #10 of 16
Agreed.
Never tried kits but I hear good things about the XSPC kits.
I would however get Primochil Advanced LRT tubing as the XSPC one will likely cloud up and leach plastisizer.
Many have reported problems with that tubing.
And if you are up to it, upgrade to the D5 pump kit.
Stronger pump, and probably more quiet too.
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