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Hello fine gentlemen of OCN. smile.gif

First, some specs:
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Seasonic 1000w PSU
Corsair RAM, 16GB.
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Corsair keyboard (K80 or something)
Windows 8.1

For whatever reason my gaming rig doesn't give me very consistent performance. For example, in MechWarrior Online when it does run smoothly I'll be getting between 120 and 180 FPS without any stuttering and the GPU usage is fluctuating between 50% and 90% depending on the map and such. When the gremlin hits it drops to 40-70 FPS with stuttering, GPU usage sticking to 95-99% and with significant input lag. The menuscreen, which has a rendered background will give me 62 FPS at ~35% GPU usage when everything is smooth, but 50-60 FPS and ~70% or more GPU usage when the gremlin hits (FPS is presumably limited to 60 regardless). Even when standing still in the offline "training grounds" mode the FPS still jumps around while staying very consistent when everything is smooth. Clockspeeds usually stay the same at 1241Mhz, however the GPU sometimes goes into a lower performance state for no apparent reason. There is no relation between a fresh boot and it being on for the past 12 hours. When the problem hits I it generally won't go away for a while on any game. Temperatures are perfectly normal, it's watercooled.

Here's a screenshot while standing still in an offline environment showing various performance metrics when stuttering occurs:


This is as bad as it gets. frown.gif The last number on the first line is the "Utilization limit", which at 1 indicates that the GPU doesn't see the need to go into a higher performance state. This may actually be true if there's something bottlenecking the GPU in a location other than the GPU cores but that's purely speculation.

And another screenshot in the exact same situation and offline environment, but while everything is smooth:


I've tried turning off/disabling as many things as possible on my machine without success.

Does anyone have any idea what's going on?
Edited by Z0eff - 5/15/14 at 8:20am
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Hello fine gentlemen of OCN. smile.gif

First, some specs:
i7 4770k @ 4.5Ghz (1.272v)
GTX780 @ 1241Mhz (1.212v)
Gigabyte Z87X-UD5H

For whatever reason my gaming rig doesn't give me very consistent performance. For example, in MechWarrior Online when it does run smoothly I'll be getting between 120 and 180 FPS without any stuttering and the GPU usage is fluctuating between 50% and 90% depending on the map and such. When the gremlin hits it drops to 40-70 FPS with stuttering, GPU usage sticking to 95-99% and with significant input lag. The menuscreen, which has a rendered background will give me 62 FPS at ~35% GPU usage when everything is smooth, but 50-60 FPS and ~70% or more GPU usage when the gremlin hits (FPS is presumably limited to 60 regardless). Even when standing still in the offline "training grounds" mode the FPS still jumps around while staying very consistent when everything is smooth. Clockspeeds usually stay the same at 1241Mhz, however the GPU sometimes goes into a lower performance state for no apparent reason. There is no relation between a fresh boot and it being on for the past 12 hours. When the problem hits I it generally won't go away for a while on any game. Temperatures are perfectly normal, it's watercooled.

Here's a screenshot while standing still in an offline environment showing various performance metrics when stuttering occurs:


This is as bad as it gets. frown.gif The last number on the first line is the "Utilization limit", which at 1 indicates that the GPU doesn't see the need to go into a higher performance state. This may actually be true if there's something bottlenecking the GPU in a location other than the GPU cores but that's purely speculation.

And another screenshot in the exact same situation and offline environment, but while everything is smooth:


I've tried turning off/disabling as many things as possible on my machine without success.

Does anyone have any idea what's going on?

Can you install MSI afterburner and raise the power limit as far as it will go? Or have you done that already? It looks like the GPU is throttling based on the first pic (GPU core: 575mhz) Raising the power limit may fix it.
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I'm using EVGA PrecisionX with the powerlimit at 130%, which is more like 300% or something like that because of the custom bios from the TI forums. Sadly I fear the problem is a lot more difficult to solve. frown.gif

EDIT: The problem can also occur when the GPU is at full speed.
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I'm using EVGA PrecisionX with the powerlimit at 130%, which is more like 300% or something like that because of the custom bios from the TI forums. Sadly I fear the problem is a lot more difficult to solve. frown.gif

EDIT: The problem can also occur when the GPU is at full speed.

Well somethings screwing with the card to tell it to drop to a low power state... Driver wipe and new install? Also what's the rest of your setup look like? And are you running your GPU at stock clocks?
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Hypothetically could be having errors occurring at the driver level but not enough to crash the game or the driver itself, I would suggest running stock on just the GPU and reverting BIOS to out of the box. If issue still exists here, you have a possibly defective card.

See how it goes as I suggested, also consider the fact that you may have a bad BIOS, even if it lets you overclock well. While almost all reference cards are identical... sometimes there is a unique BIOS bug fix that is necessary for your card for various reasons. Binning is just bare minimum, or it is exceptional. Or it is just a newer version with slightly different secondary components, yet still reference in nature/design.

Also try playing a different game, pick something known to run really well with the cards such as Crysis 3 or BF3 if you have it. Metro2033 has a good nVidia sided benchmark.
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It happens with any game and not always does the GPU throttle down when stuttering occurs.

I'll see if I can revert the bios 'upgrade'.

EDIT: K, using the stock bios without any overclocks now and I'm getting more FPS than ever... Suggesting the gremlin was present even when everything felt smooth? Geh...

EDIT2: Nope, the problem is back. Here's a new screenshot showing the problem isn't related to clockspeeds:



This is from a live multiplayer game just now. I reduced the overclock from 1241MHz to 1202Mhz along with the reduced max voltage that comes with the stock bios.
Notice how GPU isn't throttling at all and is running at max clockspeeds yet it's above 90% utilization with (relatively) low FPS and huge input lag. frown.gif

Here's a screenshot from the offline training grounds while standing still in the same position as in the screenshots in the original post:

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The FPS is higher because nothing is going on, there are no projectiles etc. However the input lag is still present and obviously the GPU is still above 90% usage for no apparent reason.
Edited by Z0eff - 4/26/14 at 9:00pm
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Here's a video instead of screenshots showing exactly what I mean.
Both of these clips are in an offline environment on the same spawn on the same map. Even at youtube's 30 FPS cap it's possible to see the frame stutter in the bad clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejmqsmj-xwI
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What is your current power limit?
Crank that sucker to the max and recheck. If still having problems with GPU clocks dropping then check VRM temps.

Also what temp is your card running at while at load? I think by default the card will start to throttle at 84c or something, but you can change it.


Also are you using Vsync?
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What is your current power limit?
Crank that sucker to the max and recheck. If still having problems with GPU clocks dropping then check VRM temps.

Also what temp is your card running at while at load? I think by default the card will start to throttle at 84c or something, but you can change it.


Also are you using Vsync?

The power limit number was always at 0 (meaning it's not reached) because I was using a custom BIOS that raised the power limit significantly. Instead, the utilization limit was reached for whatever reason. Above somebody suggested I revert back to the factory bios which I did however the same problem still occurs.

It's not so much GPU speeds dropping being the cause, but rather the effect of another problem as the problem occurs even when my clockspeeds are fine (see the video I posted a few minutes ago).
the GPU and VRM temps are visible in the screenshots and the video, they're fine. It's a watercooled card.

No vsync, thankfully I learned a long time ago that that can also induce stuttering so I haven't used it in ages. smile.gif
I'm hoping that G-Sync/FreeSync/Adaptive-Sync will solve that issue.
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