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I recently encountered a post on Corsair's blog in which an employee documented the process of building a mini-ITX build intended only for writing, which ran linux (specifically Ubuntu). The article can be found here: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/february/the%20obsidian%20series%20250d%20screenwriters%20blues%20linux%20build

As a Linux user, I feel the need to defend my OS by pointing out that quite literally every problem the author encountered with Linux was a result of AMD's abysmal driver support for Linux. The experience with Nvidia's proprietary drivers is quite pleasant, and in fact they require less work to install than most graphics card drivers do on Windows. (I also could dispute the statement that Windows "just works," but I won't bother with that today wink.gif)

I wanted to post this here, along with my comments on it, and take it as an opportunity to discuss your opinions on driver support for linux from manufacturers. If you have anything to add to this discussion, please go ahead and respond!
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I run 100% AMD on my machine. Ubuntu works flawlessly. Not sure why this is a thing or he had the issues he had.
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The next problem was that Linux, in general, was incredibly sluggish. This owed less to the underlying hardware and more to the sad, sorry state of drivers on the platform. Moving windows was unpleasant, and the fact that there’s a VSync toggle for the desktop speaks volumes.

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

The drivers for AMD aren't the greatest, but they've improved a lot in the last 6 months to a year and aren't terrible anymore. But they definitely don't explain his problems, or at least not completely. I think this sentence;
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and that’s ignoring the nightmarish task that is installing…well…anything in Linux.

After a tremendous amount of work, I was able to get things running the way I wanted them to. Heaven help me, I hope never to see the command “sudo” again.

Explains perfectly well why he had issues. He obviously was doing everything from command line and not the package manager. And while not a bad thing ( if you know what you're doing ), it isn't the "correct" way either. His experience could have gone a lot better if he didn't use the "Windows" mentality to doing things.


That said, I have an A8 mITX rig that runs absolutely flawlessly. His problem was most definitely a little thing called PEBKAC.

Also, for what absolute little he did with his build, he'd of likely been better off going with a NUC or mini barebones computer.... He'd of spent half what he did on parts and gotten the same basica performance for what he's doing. And most of the current ones have 2 display ports of some kind either 1DP/1HDMI or 2HDMI which are easily turned into DVI if needed.

I mean, really... he put a 450W PSU in a computer that's running nothing but a 65W CPU, Motherboard and SSD... Overall the build seems like a waste to me.
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I personally don't think driver support on Linux is lacking. Drivers from Nvidia on Linux are just as stable as they are on windows. This was a different story 6 years ago though. Drivers from AMD on Linux are nearly as good as they are on Windows. Again a totally different story 6-8 years ago. I think some people know that the graphic drivers sucked on Linux years ago and they have that stuck in their head and don't bother bring themselves up-to-date on the matter.

Part of the problem isn't bad drivers, but bad hardware. Manufactures introduce new bugs in their new hardware, and sometimes getting things to run smoothly is a nightmare. An example, FreeScale's i.MX53 processor, it required over 2000+ patches just to get the Linux kernel to run on it. This is not a problem with Linux but rather sh** hardware.
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Looks as if the article was written by someone who has used windows all their life & knows nothing about linux frown.gif (but expects linux to be windows).
So many parts of the article just seem to point to the guys lack of knowledge and also lack of interest to actually learn why things didn't work etc.

I personally dropped ubuntu years ago but I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be sluggish on a system of the spec he had
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you’re pretty much required to use the closed source driver from AMD
lol rolleyes.gif (bit like that windows closed source driver you install from AMD?)
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that’s ignoring the nightmarish task that is installing…well…anything in Linux
really?

sudo apt-get install x

seems hard rolleyes.gif
also pretty sure ubuntu has some sort of gui package frontend for installing stuff
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The next problem was that Linux, in general, was incredibly sluggish. This owed less to the underlying hardware and more to the sad, sorry state of drivers on the platform.
sounds like he really knows what he is talking about rolleyes.gif
has problems because of his lack of knowledge and experience then goes on to blame the OS

Really is depressing to see people like this writing these articles
If you have no interest or time to actually learn something you should have no reason to think you can review or write a technical article on it.

Surprised there are no comments on the article but would guess they just mark comments as spam
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I've just stumbled accross this thread and read the corsair page too. Now, I should say I'm not a Linux pro but I do use it on Occasion to recover data, check a System works ect. (I don't use it 24/7 because it dosen't run MS Office or any of the games I Play sad-smiley-002.gif ).

I think the main Problem this guy had was expecting Linux to be a 'free windows'; it's not, it may look similar but it's a different animal entirely and if you don't take the time to learn how to use it, it is difficult, illogical and time-consuming. I think many Linux users Forget this and many Windows users don't know it. rolleyes.gif

As for Performance: I've installed ubuntu, lubuntu and mint 16 on my netbook (and my GF's Laptop) and had worse Performance than under Win7. I don't know why that would happen, they all work fine on my big Laptop and PC, both Intel and AMD CPUs, nVida and AMD GPUs. Maybe there's certian Hardware configs which Linux just dosen't work well with?

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Originally Posted by equk View Post

sudo apt-get install x
seems hard rolleyes.gif
This is exactly what I mean; if you don't know how to use Linux you'd never, ever, think of doing that, let alone find it easy... tongue.gif
Edited by BruceB - 5/15/14 at 1:29am
 
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