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On the flip side the 180 degree bends create turbulence which, in theory, should increase efficiency. Moral of the story, if you go with a MoRa be sure to get a really powerful pump. Just be sure to be cautious with the pump, most liquid cooling gear is only rated for 1.5bars which translates roughly to 22PSI of pressure. You don't want your loop exploding on you, or maybe you do I don't know what your plans for this build are. rolleyes.gif

Ran my MORA3 with the Swiftech MCP35X2, can only recommend it - PWM is an added feature that will make you a happy man :-)
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Thanks for all the input guys, i'm leaning towards the MoRa now just because I want to hang it on my case and it just looks better than the Phobyia xD

Now should I get 2 swiftech mcp655 or get what Gomi said and get a Swiftech MCP35X2?

Also would I need a giant reservoir for this also and a fan controller?

EDIT: Ok so which one is it lol..
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12550/ex-rad-209/Watercool_MO-RA3_420_Core_LC_Extreme_Radiator_-_Black_Powder_Coated_22095.html#blank

or http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/wamo9xltblra.html?
Edited by mend0k - 5/6/14 at 11:11am
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the one at frozencpu is just a rad core, you'd need to buy the house separately, but the sidewinder one isn't in stock

frozencpu:
360 LT 9x 120mm fans in push or pull
360 PRO 18x120mm fans in push/pull
420 LT 9x140mm fans in push or pull
420 PRO 18x140mm fans in push/pull

you don't need a huge res, you can use what ever res you want, in just terms of max pressure the MCP35X2 has the most, but a set of D5's would in general be quieter
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Can I handle your thread a little and make a question? The answer will be here for everybody see and be helped biggrin.gif. One D5 at 5 setting would be able to pump a Mora 3 120mm + CPU + GPU + MOBO + a pair of quick disconnects?
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No stop hijacking my thread...

Lol jk I believe it can my friend
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Can I handle your thread a little and make a question? The answer will be here for everybody see and be helped biggrin.gif. One D5 at 5 setting would be able to pump a Mora 3 120mm + CPU + GPU + MOBO + a pair of quick disconnects?

Hey, Lucas! Purely anecdotal evidence, but at least the Mo-Ra Pro 9x140 have a pretty big pressure drop. Be able to, it probably will, but I don't know how much the flow would suffer... From my point of view, I think it would be better to use more than one pump with the Mo-Ra if you are going with a single loop or one dedicated pump for the rad if you are going with parallel loops - that's how I have done things here. Again, take this with a grain of salt, since I do not have a flow meter to check my flow or a pressure meter to really measure pressure - have just used simple physics (water column height) to try to get a qualitative estimative of the pressure drop, and the Mo-Ra have a bigger pressure drop than my blocks.
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No stop hijacking my thread...

Lol jk I believe it can my friend

Oh thanks biggrin.gif
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Hey, Lucas! Purely anecdotal evidence, but at least the Mo-Ra Pro 9x140 have a pretty big pressure drop. Be able to, it probably will, but I don't know how much the flow would suffer... From my point of view, I think it would be better to use more than one pump with the Mo-Ra if you are going with a single loop or one dedicated pump for the rad if you are going with parallel loops - that's how I have done things here. Again, take this with a grain of salt, since I do not have a flow meter to check my flow or a pressure meter to really measure pressure - have just used simple physics (water column height) to try to get a qualitative estimative of the pressure drop, and the Mo-Ra have a bigger pressure drop than my blocks.
Cheers!

Hi my compatriot friend smile.gif What blocks do you have in your loop? I hope when you say that it is more restrictive than the blocks you are comparing it to just one single block, not the whole block system redface.gif I believe that much 180º turns are very pump hungry, but I hope not that much sad-smiley-002.gif... But I'm considering the possible order for a second pump anyway, redundancy is always good.
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Hi my compatriot friend smile.gif What blocks do you have in your loop? I hope when you say that it is more restrictive than the blocks you are comparing it to just one single block, not the whole block system redface.gif I believe that much 180º turns are very pump hungry, but I hope not that much sad-smiley-002.gif... But I'm considering the possible order for a second pump anyway, redundancy is always good.

Hey there, Lucas... Well, one Alphacool XP3 for the CPU and two EK 290X full-cover water blocks (these two are in parallel between them), so 3 blocks total, two of them being in parallel - so, not that much restriction, but not that little also.... biggrin.gif
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Hey there, Lucas... Well, one Alphacool XP3 for the CPU and two EK 290X full-cover water blocks (these two are in parallel between them), so 3 blocks total, two of them being in parallel - so, not that much restriction, but not that little also.... biggrin.gif
Cheers!

I see... I guess it maybe can handle, but I'll probably be buying a second pump, just to be safe. If it is not necessary I can sell it! Thanks for the answer, +rep!
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I have been slowly over time evolving an old Antec 1200 air cooling case to be an ugly but effective water cooling monster.

I can speak first hand to my experiences with big radiators. Skipping the prior configurations, etc, of how I got to this build configuration I'm at today, I have a 240 internal radiator in my loop I don't feel like disconnecting, and 2 1080 Phobya panels. One is mounted to my case side with 4x180mm silent low rpm fans and the other (which I just plumbed in today) is on a pair of feet outside the case. I'm testing it to see where its going to ultimately end up, and using a ghetto but very effective house box fan to see what my maximum cooling potential will look like.

I can say I hit diminishing returns a long time ago. I'll post a couple pics I just took. My ambient temp in the room is about 25.0 +/- 1C and my my delta's of my coolant are about 3C +/- 1C.

I ran an hour loop of Valley Benchmark. Even with a 4700k @ 4.5 @ 1.265v and 2x SLI 780 ti @ 1.212v 1260/8000 my water only got up to 28.1C under max fan load. It actually was hovering around 27.9 for a while but I keep messing with airflow angles.

I took my water chiller out of the loop, and took one of my 240 rads off the back before this test, and I have 1 MCP35x in a bay res combo. I finally started to see significant flowrate drop today with a second 1080 panel installed. I ran the tests at 25 and 30% pump speed, because I really prefer low noise. ONE MCP35x is sufficient to push what is basically the equivalent of 6 360's and a 240 in serial in my system, after passing through a cpu block and 2 gpu blocks. If I crank the pump up to 40% it's moving a great deal of water still. Above that it really still flows a great deal of water. But I did notice a good drop in flow at lower pump rpms.

So for what its worth, I have done what you're asking, and with more restriction in my loop than what you're likely considering based on the post. One MCP35x is a great option. If you want more, I can't fault you. But it really won't be necessary. BTW I used 1/2" ID / 3/4" OD tubing and only hav ea couple 90 degree elbows. Everything else I try to make a sweeping turn to keep kinks out.

I might actually sell one or both panels as I move on to my next build. I don't know.

I've got a picture of Frankenstein in testing glory I'll post - be kind - this project was never intended to be glamorous, just functional, and the box fan just happened to be a stop gap before final mounting and real fan placement. I think focused fans will probanbly lower the delta a bit more actually.

I'm happy with 3 C delta though with what I'm cooling lol... I guess I'm going to call this an extreme loop hahaha...

Good luck!






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