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If your going to go the Monsta thinkness on Alphacool rads, does anyone have a recommendation for fan setup? Is it an absolute push pull radiator, or is push enough? I don't see any mounting holes on the reservoir back plates. Is this something I will need to drill myself?
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The general consensus is that a UT60 and a Monsta behaves relatively similar up to 1400 RPM on Gentle Typhoons. Even the AP-15's at 1800 rpm doesn't pull ahead by that much. Push pull is where the monsta pulls ahead of push pull UT60. That said, with 4 UT60's you're already at diminishing returns even if you run dual loops.

Honestly, I'd go a single set on UT60's at 1100 or something like push pull UT60 at 700 rpm. While it's true the TH10A looks like it can fit monstas in push pull, it looks a bit excessively crowded inside the case. And because of what I said earlier, I wouldn't run 80mm radiators with just one set of fans anyway. I'm probably going to settle on some AP-13 or AP-14 push pull on four 480 UT60's.
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Thanks for the info I agree monsta's seem like overkill. The reason I'm going with the TH10 is the added room to work with, and I don't want to eat it up with radiators.biggrin.gif
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The general consensus is that a UT60 and a Monsta behaves relatively similar up to 1400 RPM on Gentle Typhoons. Even the AP-15's at 1800 rpm doesn't pull ahead by that much. Push pull is where the monsta pulls ahead of push pull UT60. That said, with 4 UT60's you're already at diminishing returns even if you run dual loops.

Honestly, I'd go a single set on UT60's at 1100 or something like push pull UT60 at 700 rpm. While it's true the TH10A looks like it can fit monstas in push pull, it looks a bit excessively crowded inside the case. And because of what I said earlier, I wouldn't run 80mm radiators with just one set of fans anyway. I'm probably going to settle on some AP-13 or AP-14 push pull on four 480 UT60's.

I reckon it wont look too crowded with 2x monstas in p/p in the roof, with the 30mm extention to hide a set of fans (wouldnt see them inside anyway). I would maybe put another in the floor of the side panel, but definetly not another in the mobo side as it would distract and look too crowded. However I'd opt for a pedestal for more rad space, because overkill.
Maybe a sneaky mosta 360 in the front also wink.gif
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revamp of TH10 now this is sexy thumb.gif

Flat packed also for international thumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gif

some thoughts and ideas:
Maybe make both options possible; a big mounting plate and/or small mounting plate or 2 small ones
Were people can choose their config upon ordering
I like multiple reservoirs and/or dual pump tops, cant fit dual pump top on one small plate

Maybe an idea to set the mounting screws of the mounting plate more to middle and make some extra holes in the mounting plate so you would be able to move the mounting plate left and right with the extra holes there. (see picture downbelow, red dots are screws and black are the holes)

take following in consideration


Maybe align the holes with the radiator in- and outlets
"Old" TH10 has holes at the back and front for radiator routing and they were not so good aligned for routing your water config tubes, people needed to build nasty curves. A straight line to the other side rolleyes.gif
I see this as a big sur plus improvement if so.

Maybe an idea for a door window as large as the door itself up to the handle?
So radiators are also visible, nice to see emblems or maybe other artistic drawings on the radiator

extra question:
Is everything available for purchase separately?
Like front-, mid-, top-, back plate etc
in case when you like to change your setup/build but it would not look nice due to the drilled holes and cuts.
Just order new plate and your ready to rock again.

These are just my ideas , i do not mean to be disrespectful towards your work in anyway.

I'm excited tho with your work and revamping of this case.

Thanks! smile.gif

We have enough room for a second mounting position, so we're going to go that route. That provides the most flexibility. The standard mount can be used in either position or two can be used together. We may even come out with a single "XL" mount.

I understand that moving the center panel cutout further forward to line up directly with barbs would be nice, but (A) every radiator is different and (B) devices installed in the Flex-Bays would likely block access to them. Adding more holes starts turning the divide panel into Swiss cheese. Like our other cases, each chassis component is available separately, so it's possible to drill/cut holes needed for your build and if those needs change, a new divider can be purchased. We have rubber u-channel and grommets in our store for DIY mods.
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The general consensus is that a UT60 and a Monsta behaves relatively similar up to 1400 RPM on Gentle Typhoons. Even the AP-15's at 1800 rpm doesn't pull ahead by that much. Push pull is where the monsta pulls ahead of push pull UT60. That said, with 4 UT60's you're already at diminishing returns even if you run dual loops.

Honestly, I'd go a single set on UT60's at 1100 or something like push pull UT60 at 700 rpm. While it's true the TH10A looks like it can fit monstas in push pull, it looks a bit excessively crowded inside the case. And because of what I said earlier, I wouldn't run 80mm radiators with just one set of fans anyway. I'm probably going to settle on some AP-13 or AP-14 push pull on four 480 UT60's.

I would agree. Personally I would go with UT60's over Monstas. I think they're too bulky and there is not enough benefit from them, but they are the current yardstick by which high end cases are measured, so we feature them in a lot of our product photos. They definitely make a strong visual statement though wink.gif
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We have enough room for a second mounting position, so we're going to go that route. That provides the most flexibility. The standard mount can be used in either position or two can be used together. We may even come out with a single "XL" mount.
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...(A) every radiator is different and (B) devices installed in the Flex-Bays would likely block access to them.
If i may discuss it (which im doing now anyway haha biggrin.gif):
The old model would block it as well if a flexbay would be mounted there

in my honest opinion hard tubing is nowadays the **** to go with due to its non stain lasting and abstractness
down side is its inflexibility, fragile and tearing down half the system of hard tube when replacing or changing stuff redface.gif
But none the less enough room for a hard tube run by between the flexbay cage (as example) and divider yes?
Soft tube will be more difficult there, but hey who wants soft tubing nowadays.... not me wink.gif
also i think you wont mount a flexbay + long device in the top and low 3 slots when having monsta 480's installed

Edited: Found this at cpachris his build (true inspiration build log) which shows your comment clearly about blocking:

But his 480's are outside the case not the forget mentioning

What about a horizontal cutout where it would be in line for almost all radiators?
Then the height would be the compromise, in regards routing, to the thickness of the radiator but that could be easier solved with extension fittings instead of degree fittings

This would also make the block smaller of flex bays due to its horizontal position like that way.
Not to mention some what more flexibility for soft tubers tongue.gif
Or will this make the case less strong with HTPX trays?
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Adding more holes starts turning the divide panel into Swiss cheese.
Not in the divide panel but only in the mount and only 2 holes for the screws in the divider, but still i agree on the cheese part.
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Like our other cases, each chassis component is available separately, so it's possible to drill/cut holes needed for your build and if those needs change, a new divider can be purchased. We have rubber u-channel and grommets in our store for DIY mods.
awesome

Anyway this revamp increases my will to have even more.
But i am also very curious at the new Gemini case line and i am waiting for ddr4 hardware setup
Edited by Scorp - 5/14/14 at 12:28pm
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While it's clear the first iteration of the TH10A is going to be shipping as the way it is, this is just something to keep in mind for future modifications of this case and cases in general. The cutouts in the four corners would be meant for a single bitspower 90 degree fitting linked by a straight to be meant to link up with another single 90 degree fitting from the adjacent radiator behind the divider. You guys like to put alphacool radiators in your display pictures so why not make sure that holes align with the most popular 45 to 80mm radiators from alphacool, EK, and blackice, The type of fittings most people use are bitspower 90's anyway so if you've got enough room for two parallel stacked tubes to pass through straight over to the other side and connect to the other radiator, you're set.

In my case, with four UT60's, bitspower fittings and hard tubing, I'll probably have to use snake fittings or drill a few holes to all for straight passthrough from one radiator to the other. I was thinking of using the bottom two radiators for the GPU loop and the top two radiators for the CPU loop. Really no point from a cooling perspective but having two colors should be pretty cool.



EDIT: What's the dimensions of the XXL window? It appears to extend extend exactly from the base of the motherboard tray to the top of the tray. Is that around 380mm? Im trying to figure out the largest resrevoir pump combo I can go with to fit the window height.


Edited by Syan48306 - 5/14/14 at 3:14pm
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Does anyone know how this guy got these two ek pump res combos mounted to his TH10? I have the same pump res and would like to mount them the same way. Just wondering if these holes are pre-drilled or did he have to take a drill to the case. redface.gif
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They were most likely mounted directly to the center divider panel.
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Silverstone 600 SFX GOLD Modular PSU CaseLabs Bullet BH4 (Lime) MOD-ONE Black Double-G Case Feet Darkside UV LED Case Lighting 
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Intel I7-4770K ASUS Maximus VI Impact EVGA Titan GSkill 16 GB DDR3-1600 
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Samsung SSD 512MB 840 x 2 (RAID 0) EK Blocks, 280 x 60mm (2)  Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit CaseLabs Mercury S3 & Pedestal 
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