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I'm currently the happy owner of a rather beautiful pair of Sennheiser PC360's in combination with a Creative X-Fi Titanium HD.

I'll be upgrading my PC once my exams are over with (damn Mathematics getting in the way of gaming!) and recently I've been
wondering whether or not it would be worth upgrading my audio setup too.

I don't really suppose my PC specs are relevant here, but I feel you should know that these headphones will be used for heavy
gaming use, along with music/film on the side. I don't need the new pair to be a headset, I'd be quite happy to buy a ModMic or
something along similar lines.

So what's your opinion, is it worth me upgrading all of it (and to what), is it worth just upgrading headphones or sound card, or
should I count my blessing with what I have?

As for budget, let's put a £350 cap on the headphones and I'd be willing to spend up to £150 for a sound card.

Any advice would be great,
Adrastus
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Stick with the Titanium HD, at most get an external amplifier like Objective2 (or a tube amp).
As for headphones, knowing your music tastes and how "hardcore" gamer you are would be nice.

AKG Q701
Sennheiser HD650
Hifiman HE-400 should be priced around £250 but can't google any from UK rolleyes.gif
Edited by Tiihokatti - 5/10/14 at 12:21pm
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Stick with the Titanium HD, at most get an external amplifier like Objective2 (or a tube amp).
As for headphones, knowing your music tastes and how "hardcore" gamer you are would be nice.
Good to know that the sound card was a sound (excuse the pun) choice then!

My music tastes are rather wide; currently listening to Radiohead, next on the playlist is Parov Stelar followed by Pat Benatar - take what you can from that. I'd probably say my prime poison would rock.

With regards to how "hardcore", it's hard to say without coming across as a wannabe or an arrogant tit. I'm an FPS whore, entering cups whenever possible. Positional accuracy is what I would most like from a new pair of headphones.
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Yeah, the Titanium HD is still a formidable sound card. Do you have the stock OP amps on it?

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Yeah, the Titanium HD is still a formidable sound card. Do you have the stock OP amps on it?
Indeed! Picked it up very cheap too. Yes, I have the stock OP amps.
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Indeed! Picked it up very cheap too. Yes, I have the stock OP amps.

 

Oh. Have you ever thought about swapping them with different ones?

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Good to know that the sound card was a sound (excuse the pun) choice then!

My music tastes are rather wide; currently listening to Radiohead, next on the playlist is Parov Stelar followed by Pat Benatar - take what you can from that. I'd probably say my prime poison would rock.

With regards to how "hardcore", it's hard to say without coming across as a wannabe or an arrogant tit. I'm an FPS whore, entering cups whenever possible. Positional accuracy is what I would most like from a new pair of headphones.
Gaming cans:
Q701
K702
AD900X

But the "fun factor"/bass may not be what you want... I recommend to visit a local music shop to test the cans tongue.gif
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Oh. Have you ever thought about swapping them with different ones?
I thought about it before, but I'm such a n00b when it comes to that sort of thing. I understand that the OP amps change the 'signature' of the sound, but I don't know which signature I'd like or where on earth to buy them. Do you have any experience on the matter?
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Gaming cans:
Q701
K702
AD900X

But the "fun factor"/bass may not be what you want... I recommend to visit a local music shop to test the cans tongue.gif
Wow, that's odd (maybe not so much). I was looking at the Quincy Jones edition AKG's and the ATH-AD900X's before I made this post.

I went into the music shop in my nearest city just earlier and they stocked no such products. Good HiFi shops seem to have died off around here... Amazon could be quite useful for sampling purposes though.
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I thought about it before, but I'm such a n00b when it comes to that sort of thing. I understand that the OP amps change the 'signature' of the sound, but I don't know which signature I'd like or where on earth to buy them. Do you have any experience on the matter?

 

Very limited. I swapped out two of the 4 with different OP amps as recommended by an expert friend of mind and the bass is punchier and a little deeper and the highs are better. It's not that the sound card at stock needs an upgrade, but I guess it's more of a preference. I kinda liked the change, so I stayed with them.

 

The OP-amps that were recommended to me are mad by National (apparently a very good brand), and the model number is LME49720. I found mine at Digi-Key:

 

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LME49720NA%2FNOPB/LME49720NA%2FNOPB-ND/1647708

 

The photo you'll see is just a stock photo that they use for OP-amps when they don't have the actual photo available. However, they do look like that with the exception of having some printing:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1294945/2x-lme49720na-op-amps-4-62-shipped

 

You can middle-click his photos and the left-click the photo after it's finished loading in your browser window to get up close and personal. lol

 

The ones he replaced are the opposite of the ones that I replaced, per the recommendation from my expert friend. The stock OP amps that he replaced here are LME49710s. I replaced the JRC 2114Ds.

 

I don't know if I could say that it's a HUGE difference, but I like the difference. :) I guess the low end is a little punchier and maybe a little deeper and maybe the highs are better or something.

 

These are easy to replace. I slid a nail file from a fingernail clipper underneath and pried them upward. They have to be handled gently though because those pins bend easily. They're stiff, but they can bend easily. So, prying them straight up is critical. Inserting them as perfectly as you can is also critical. It's fun though.

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