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Originally Posted by Awsan View Post

Sorry to snatch the thread but i am going to apply Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra under the IHS after i delid the CPU and PK-1 above the IHS with my H100i is that a good idea?

And do i need to spread the Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra under the IHS? and how should i spread it if so

and should i spread the PK-1 above the IHS? and how should i spread it if so


thanks

Put CLU on the die. CLU is some sort of liquid that likes to stick to itself more than the die. You'll start out with a ball of CLU, then gently pull on the sides of that with the brush until it extends to cover the whole die. If you brush forcefully, the CLU likes to contract and roll up into a ball again. While it behaves like that, for some strange reason a tiny drop can still extend to cover huge areas. You will need very little CLU.

Another method is to just push on the syringe until the CLU bulges out at the tip, then pick it up with the brush. That way you'll be sure to not use too much.

After you are done with the die, just use what's already on the brush and paint the inside of the IHS in the area where the die will touch. There's likely enough CLU sticking on the brush to do that.

I have a hunch that painting the inside of the IHS is important. This is because of what I mentioned about CLU not wanting to stick to the die. Without painting the inside of the IHS, I'd fear that CLU will start to contract and expose parts of the die when you put everything together.

Another thing to know is that CLU will stay liquid for at least a few months (perhaps longer). If you are unhappy with temperatures and suspect you used too much or too little CLU, you can open everything up and add some to it, or try to pick some up with the brush. It's not at all like normal paste and you don't have to wipe everything away if you want to tweak things.

Your idea of using normal paste on top of the IHS sounds good to me, better than using CLU over there.
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Put CLU on the die. CLU is some sort of liquid that likes to stick to itself more than the die. You'll start out with a ball of CLU, then gently pull on the sides of that with the brush until it extends to cover the whole die. If you brush forcefully, the CLU likes to contract and roll up into a ball again. While it behaves like that, for some strange reason a tiny drop can still extend to cover huge areas. You will need very little CLU.

Another method is to just push on the syringe until the CLU bulges out at the tip, then pick it up with the brush. That way you'll be sure to not use too much.

After you are done with the die, just use what's already on the brush and paint the inside of the IHS in the area where the die will touch. There's likely enough CLU sticking on the brush to do that.

I have a hunch that painting the inside of the IHS is important. This is because of what I mentioned about CLU not wanting to stick to the die. Without painting the inside of the IHS, I'd fear that CLU will start to contract and expose parts of the die when you put everything together.

Another thing to know is that CLU will stay liquid for at least a few months (perhaps longer). If you are unhappy with temperatures and suspect you used too much or too little CLU, you can open everything up and add some to it, or try to pick some up with the brush. It's not at all like normal paste and you don't have to wipe everything away if you want to tweak things.

Your idea of using normal paste on top of the IHS sounds good to me, better than using CLU over there.


Thanks for the Info REP+
     
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Oh well, I guess I was a bit too late to reply to the questions asked. smile.gif

Haha, glad you all got it sorted out.
And basically, if your cooler has a Copper-only base, then applying the CLU is fine. Steel (like the IHS on the processor) will not be bothered by the Gallium as well, but it is rarely (if ever?) used in cooler contact surfaces.
You should avoid using it with Aluminum.
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[...] Steel (like the IHS on the processor) [...]

The IHS is pure copper with Nickel plating. You'll see the copper shining through if you scratch it up.
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I'll Stick with IC Diamond. Less of a pain in the ass, lol
 
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[...] Steel (like the IHS on the processor) [...]

The IHS is pure copper with Nickel plating. You'll see the copper shining through if you scratch it up.


Yes, I'm sorry, I meant Nickel. Thanks for pointing it out. I lapped a friend of mine's 3770k after all.

In relevance to your avatar, and in my defence, the caffeine in my system is running low. And with that said I'm off to bed. smile.gif
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Gelid GC Extreme should be at the very top as far as I know. It's a bit hard to use perfectly because of that warming up business and because of using that spatula to spread it. That should be the only reason it can get beat by normal paste as that's easier to apply right. All of the top products are also simply very close together so you getting the application done better might choose the winner.
why do they say liquid pro is harder to apply then liquid ultra ? I seen a video on youtube on how to apply both thermal paste and it looks more easy to apply liquid pro
    
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why do they say liquid pro is harder to apply then liquid ultra ? I seen a video on youtube on how to apply both thermal paste and it looks more easy to apply liquid pro

No idea on this.....Personally I found Pro easier to apply than Ultra.
     
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No idea on this.....Personally I found Pro easier to apply than Ultra.
did you use it in between the heat sink and the processor ? and was your cpu out of your motherboard when you applied it ? I am planning on using liquid pro in between my heat sink and the processor I do not want to delid . I am new to building computers . should you be a experienced computer builder to apply liquid pro ? because that's what some reviews are saying
    
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You probably should not use Liquid Pro on a surface like the H100i has. It will fuse with the copper over time. It will get hard.

Liquid Ultra is supposed to be better about this with regards to copper, but I think it still will develop hard spots that will be hard to remove. I don't know if it also goes inside the copper and changes the actual metal of the base plate of your cooler like Pro does. I'd guess yes as that's simply how gallium works which is in both CLP and CLU so it will also at least discolor your cooler's base.

I know Ultra works well if it's in contact with nickel plated copper, but I don't know how Pro behaves for that. I know people report that it stays fluid for them between die and IHS. The IHS is nickel-plated copper, so that might be an example that it would work well.

In any case, the temperature difference between CLU/CLP and normal paste is not much if you use a modern paste (and not something old like AS5). I would not risk working with CLU/CLP for what you want to do. I would only use it for delidding.

my actual first hand experience (Click to show)
I did actually use CLU between CPU and heat-sink for at least six months. Everything CLU was in contact with is nickel-plated but there were still some hard spots that developed. Cleaning those needed a lot of rubbing with metal polish and a leather cloth to make the cooler look like new. The cooler I experienced this on looks like this, nickel-plated with a mirror finish:



The temperatures weren't really any different compared to normal paste. The normal paste I compared to was Chill Factor 3. The good thing about CLU is that I don't think there's anything that can go wrong with the application on top of the CPU, so it always shows best results. For the normal paste, I needed a bunch of tries to get it perfect but then it didn't show worse temperatures than CLU.
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