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did you use it in between the heat sink and the processor ? and was your cpu out of your motherboard when you applied it ? I am planning on using liquid pro in between my heat sink and the processor I do not want to delid . I am new to building computers . should you be a experienced computer builder to apply liquid pro ? because that's what some reviews are saying

Personally I would just stick with a good paste (MX2, MX4, Artic Silver, EK, Noctua etc.). You will at best only see a couple degrees in performance gain (if even that) between the liquid metal and paste when it is between the cooler and CPU IHS.

Liquid metal helps tremendously between the die and heat sink (IHS) for CPUs if you remove the less efficient TIM from Intel, but that requires a delid. Some people are seeing a drop of over 20C when OCing with a delid and liquid metal.

Another point in that the MX4 (not sure on the others) is non conducting so if you put a little too much and it touches something it shouldnt, it will only be a pain to clean. You won't damage your components.

As I said stick with a non-conducting paste for now. When you have a better feeling of how much and how to apply, switch to the metal if you want. Start off safe. Good Luck thumb.gif
     
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Personally I would just stick with a good paste (MX2, MX4, Artic Silver, EK, Noctua etc.). You will at best only see a couple degrees in performance gain (if even that) between the liquid metal and paste when it is between the cooler and CPU IHS.

Liquid metal helps tremendously between the die and heat sink (IHS) for CPUs if you remove the less efficient TIM from Intel, but that requires a delid. Some people are seeing a drop of over 20C when OCing with a delid and liquid metal.

Another point in that the MX4 (not sure on the others) is non conducting so if you put a little too much and it touches something it shouldnt, it will only be a pain to clean. You won't damage your components.

As I said stick with a non-conducting paste for now. When you have a better feeling of how much and how to apply, switch to the metal if you want. Start off safe. Good Luck thumb.gif
I am now using tuniq tx-4 and it is supposed to be better then mx-4 . the only other pastes that I used that was better then the tuniq tx-4 was gelid gc extreme it was better by 1 degree Celsius and the pre applied paste that came with the corsair h100i was tie with the gelid gc extreme . is mx-4 better then gelid gc extreme ?
    
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You probably should not use Liquid Pro on a surface like the H100i has. It will fuse with the copper over time. It will get hard.

Liquid Ultra is supposed to be better about this with regards to copper, but I think it still will develop hard spots that will be hard to remove. I don't know if it also goes inside the copper and changes the actual metal of the base plate of your cooler like Pro does. I'd guess yes as that's simply how gallium works which is in both CLP and CLU so it will also at least discolor your cooler's base.

I know Ultra works well if it's in contact with nickel plated copper, but I don't know how Pro behaves for that. I know people report that it stays fluid for them between die and IHS. The IHS is nickel-plated copper, so that might be an example that it would work well.

In any case, the temperature difference between CLU/CLP and normal paste is not much if you use a modern paste (and not something old like AS5). I would not risk working with CLU/CLP for what you want to do. I would only use it for delidding.

my actual first hand experience (Click to show)
I did actually use CLU between CPU and heat-sink for at least six months. Everything CLU was in contact with is nickel-plated but there were still some hard spots that developed. Cleaning those needed a lot of rubbing with metal polish and a leather cloth to make the cooler look like new. The cooler I experienced this on looks like this, nickel-plated with a mirror finish:



The temperatures weren't really any different compared to normal paste. The normal paste I compared to was Chill Factor 3. The good thing about CLU is that I don't think there's anything that can go wrong with the application on top of the CPU, so it always shows best results. For the normal paste, I needed a bunch of tries to get it perfect but then it didn't show worse temperatures than CLU.
the reason I want to try a better thermal paste is because my i7 4770k needs 1.248v in my bios and 1.264v v-core in cpu-z to be stable @ 4.3ghz . my max temp when running rog realbench for 1 hour is 76c and my max temperature when running prime95 for 20 minutes is 78c . I really want to overclock my cpu to 4.4ghz and I don't want my max prime95 temperature to go above 80c . is there a way I can achieve that ? or do I just have a bad overclocking chip ?
    
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the reason I want to try a better thermal paste is because my i7 4770k needs 1.248v in my bios and 1.264v v-core in cpu-z to be stable @ 4.3ghz . my max temp when running rog realbench for 1 hour is 76c and my max temperature when running prime95 for 20 minutes is 78c . I really want to overclock my cpu to 4.4ghz and I don't want my max prime95 temperature to go above 80c . is there a way I can achieve that ? or do I just have a bad overclocking chip ?

Go and ask in the "Haswell Overclocking Guide" thread of the "Intel CPUs" sub-forum. The thread should be on the first page there.

If you listen to other people that don't have a Haswell CPU, you'll get the impression that prime95 temperatures should look a certain way while that maybe just doesn't work for Haswell. It also depends on the prime95 version, I think. The older ones run colder and the newest one that can use new Haswell stuff can be super hot.

I think people are instead trying to calibrate their temperature by things like x264 video encoding. That's the highest temperature you will see in normal use. For other things like games your CPU will run colder so you can feel perfectly safe completely ignoring prime95 and other such programs.

If you don't use prime95 at all, another thing to feel safe that you can do is tune the fan profile for your cooler manually. The highest temperature in normal use should still have the fans running at comfortable noise level. You could then set the fan curve so that the fans ramp up to max whenever something like prime95 happens. In the future, you will then easily notice if something is going on like a new program behaving strange or the dust filter needing a cleaning.

There are a lot of people in that Haswell OC thread with a cooler like yours that use voltages like 1.35V without delidding, you know. Go and read up on what they are doing. Using your time for that might be a lot smarter than thinking about CLP/CLU and how to delid and whatnot. If you never touched things like VRIN voltage and VRIN LLC and the uncore settings, you might also find out that you can use less voltage than you think for 4.4GHz and up.
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Gelid extreme is my choice for tim. It has about as good of temps as you can get and it cleans up with a dry papertowel.

Clp/clu works great between the die and ihs. Outside that application the negatives out weigh the positives to strongly. Just go with gelid.
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"extreme" lapping will always yield the best results , and if you then use something like CLU correctly you are as close to perfect thermal transfer as you can get
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"extreme" lapping will always yield the best results , and if you then use something like CLU correctly you are as close to perfect thermal transfer as you can get
what is extreme lapping ?
    
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http://www.overclock.net/t/514526/the-official-lapped-processor-club/0_100

like lapping a cpu, but taking it beyond sandpaper all the way to toothpaste & polishing with silk BOTH the CPU & the HS/block base

you actually work them over till both are so flat & smooth they stick together by themselves... can be achieved if you go nice & slow in just a couple of hrs.
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Lapping voids warranty. Deliding does not. The info on top of ihs has to be legable to rma. Another reason clp/clu on the ihs is bad is you cannot read the info after its been applied to ihs.

Loosing my warranty would have to atleast benefit enough cooling
Difference to add more voltage/clockspeed. 2c to 5c gain when temps are already under 55c while gaming is just not worth it imo.
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but doesn't coollaboratory sell a special cleaner to remove there product from your cpu ?
    
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