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Originally Posted by edwardm View Post

+1, but I would probably move power supply down a few or several notches

True, actually. Let's revise and add a bit...

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For PC gamers, the most important advancements coming are cheaper and faster graphics cards, followed by faster SSDs & SATA Express.

Yes, sometimes, and no, respectively.

Cheaper GPUs are always a plus. I think the 750Ti is a great example: faster than "next"-gen consoles overall, a healthy 2GB VRAM, and a low-power 60W TDP. Price? Just $150. That's ridiculous that something that cheap and low-power can pull off 1080p and 60FPS better than the consoles that had graphics as a selling point. Plus, the low wattage means it isn't going to do a huge number on your power bill. If I can remember benchmarks well, it uses like a quarter the 480's power and half the 650Ti BOOST's, but performs on par with them. Slap it in that crappy Dell prebuilt that's running a Nehalem i3 and you can outperform an Xbone for $100 net more at worst.

SSDs for gaming are not necessary with a few exceptions. Something like Battlefield or CoD only benefits from initial speeds. After that, it's all saved to the RAM. Open-world games like GTA or Skyrim or PlanetSide 2 benefit because there's so much stuff to load. PlanetSide 2, for example, needs to reload the map each time you die. Off an SSD, it takes just a few seconds. Off a laptop HDD, it takes around 20. Of course, this was tested with my brother's Llano A8 laptop and my 650Ti BOOST (at the time) desktop and wasn't actually timed. I don't know if we'd need to take rendering into account, and his 1.6GHz CPU is NOT the bottleneck in that notoriously CPU-bound game.

SATA Express is epeen at its finest. Sequential speeds don't really benefit the typical user. My SATA II laptop feels as fast (assuming the drive is the bottleneck) as my SATA III desktop, and if I were to RAID my boot drive, then I bet there would still be no perceivable difference. It's all about the random speeds, and those have yet to saturate even the earliest SATA revisions. High queue depth operations, while important, don't happen nearly as often. If they did, we would all be running HDDs and SSDs never would have taken off. The early ones had sequential speeds around half that of a VelociRaptor and cost easily 10 or 20 times as much per byte of storage to say nothing of conventional HDDs. And yet, they've become a staple for modern high-end systems.

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Originally Posted by H-man View Post

The keyboard. If you have a good mechanical, it is effectively immortal.
My Kiness advantage MPC QD is 12 years old and still is working well. Mice? Only if you get a good one, my Deathadder 3.5G keeps on forgetting how to talk to Wrath, but I have a trackball I still haven't thrown away.

Waterblocks have some life in them if you don't mind using an adaptor plate (Wrath uses a socket 939 waterblock with an adapter I made out of standoffs and some aluminum bar.)

Linear switches are extra immortal! People pay extra for so-called "vintage Blacks" from the '80s. Cherry has never changed the design or material of the switch over its 30+ year life. They just feel better to some when worn in. Tactile and clicky switches wear out a lot faster and are only rated for 40% the keypresses. Oh darn. I guess I can only hit a switch on my MX Blue keyboard 20 million times, not 50. Buckling springs? IBM Model Ms in any condition fetch a pretty penny on Ebay. A good mechanical keyboard is a tank.
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post #23 of 40
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While I would say fans last a long time. I wouldn't go as far as saying one from the 90's would be much different than today. Gentle Typhoons for example, really changed the game and they were only released ~7 years ago, so the late 2000s.

I have yet to replace a case fan due to failure. However I do need to replace the fans on my radiator about every 6 months to a year. They sit at the very top of the case and they accumulate dust around the spindle and even though i blow my case with air at least once per month the goop must buildup and sooner or later the fan will seize and I can barely spin it by hand.
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I have yet to replace a case fan due to failure. However I do need to replace the fans on my radiator about every 6 months to a year. They sit at the very top of the case and they accumulate dust around the spindle and even though i blow my case with air at least once per month the goop must buildup and sooner or later the fan will seize and I can barely spin it by hand.

I've never had one "fail" but I have had the bearings start to go on cheaper ones. I have a bunch of S-Flex fans that are ~7 years old and still perform like new. But they're louder than some of the newer models out there.
 
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We're way past the 1-year CPU upgrades. Nowdays it takes at least 4 years to feel what you have is really trash. In the 90s and certainly 80s it was about double the speed in a year (in the 00s it slowed down a lot and in the 10s is more apparent).

It's related to finding it harder to shrink the transistor nowadays.

My hunch is the most economical is a high-end-ish non-E.
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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

We're way past the 1-year CPU upgrades. Nowdays it takes at least 4 years to feel what you have is really trash. In the 90s and certainly 80s it was about double the speed in a year (in the 00s it slowed down a lot and in the 10s is more apparent).

It's related to finding it harder to shrink the transistor nowadays.

My hunch is the most economical is a high-end-ish non-E.

Supposedly if quantum computing ever gets realized to it's full potential, the speed will increase drasticallly on the CPU part.
3600 times as fast.
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Supposedly if quantum computing ever gets realized to it's full potential, the speed will increase drasticallly on the CPU part.
3600 times as fast.

Yeah though there is a catch. Regular procedural computing may not be able to use it. That means they may not be able to use it all for many types of applications we use.

Ideas like graphene will likely only give up to 10 years, since they can't violate quantum mechanics limiting silicon either. It only goes a bit further stably. In theory.

I heard chemical/biological computing may come first. Though it won't be spectacularly faster. But judging by the human brain, that's where nature hints at.
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post #28 of 40
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Originally Posted by synge View Post

True, actually. Let's revise and add a bit...

Slowest to fastest aging parts, in order:

Case
Speakers
Monitor
Power supply
Keyboard, mouse
Optical drive
Hard drive
RAM
Motherboard
CPU
SSD
Graphics card

And mouse and keyboard depend a lot on how much you spend on it. <10$ mouses don't last more than 8 months for me so they would be at the bottom of the list. The G400 i have now is still going strong though.

I would also move optical drive higher. I think by the time bluray really becomes mainstream that by that time optical media will have become obsolete. (so with mainstream i mean more popular than DVD tongue.gif, not actually popular.) And there is no other reason to replace a DVD drive except if it breaks which has never happened to me.
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Supposedly if quantum computing ever gets realized to it's full potential, the speed will increase drasticallly on the CPU part.
3600 times as fast.

Nearly everything i heard about quantum computing indicated that it would only be useful for very specific purposes and not general purpose computing.
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post #29 of 40
Quantum computing is just a system of quibits that can have a superposition of two values at the same time (as opposed to bits which can either be 0 or 1). I don't see why it couldn't replace regular computing. I could be mistaken though.
    
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I know that's a concesus of physicists about it. I'm not an expert on it. I think it's related to the massively unintuitive nature of quantum mechanics.

We are used to 1 + 1 = 2. Quantum mechanics may be 1 = 0. Or they may alter information just on the act of reading them.

You can easily google about it though.
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