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Originally Posted by zerowalker @ Doom9 
Youtube have started to use it on Videos as a "Standard", it seems that they encode all popular videos (about 10k views) to VP9 according to my fast research.
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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 @ Doom9 
Here's a great example of VP9 on YouTube making the video no longer look like crap ~ UPDATE: I mean for 720p, my internet is too slow to stream 1080p:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq3QwK3-mdc&t=13m20s

EDIT: Due to its alpha state, BeamNG DRIVE is known to have frame rate hiccups. If you want to test the smoothness and motion performance of VP9 I recommend the following video instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNhnkFEgXw0&t=6m30s
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Originally Posted by zerowalker @ Doom9 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4YrrLUXfZE

Here is a video where i am not sure if VP9 is worse or not then MP4, as VP9 does look sharper, but it has A Lot more artifacts around objects, it looks like a cheap jpeg picture at times.
Sadly it's resized to 1080p as vp9 doesn't do the 1600x1200 it was played at.
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Forgive me for sounding facepalm-worthy, but I am a 1337 haxor! I have no idea how I did it, but YouTube encoded my F-Zero GX test video into VP9 even though my video only has 80 views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLxHjixnf3c
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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 @ Doom9 
Personally I thought the difference was large enough that the videos would speak for themselves. Therefore you can surely guess for yourself which screenshots are which video format without me telling you. tongue.gif

Screenshots A: Image 1 ~ Image 2

Screenshots B: Image 1 ~ Image 2




Source


You can check if you're viewing VP9 via right-clicking on the video and selecting "Stats for Nerds"


Unfortunately this currently only works in Chrome and Opera via YouTube's HTML5 player, but Firefox/Pale Moon users (like myself) can download the VP9/WebM formats with the following extension:
http://cys-audiovideodownloader.com/

You can then playback downloaded VP9/WebM files inside of Chrome, Firefox/Pale Moon, or Opera or via a regularly updated media player like MPC-HC or MPV (VLC currently has issues with VP9).
Edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 - 2/4/15 at 12:37pm
 
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Youtube needs to go back to whatever they were doing to encode videos a year ago. Video quality suddenly took a poop and I have since paid for a vimeo plus subscription just so I can host videos that don't look like a pixelated mess.
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Originally Posted by ezikiel12 View Post

Youtube needs to go back to whatever they were doing to encode videos a year ago. Video quality suddenly took a poop

I'll tell you what happened - YouTube introduced a new format.

You see, there's actually two 720p h.264 formats, one is the non-DASH fmt22 and the other is the DASH-compatible fmt136. Around a year ago YouTube introduced the DASH formats, but the new 720p format actually has a lesser bitrate (most likely because DASH in general requires more bandwidth). Therefore if you directly compare fmt22 and fmt136, you'll see that fmt22 has both a larger filesize and better video quality.

Interestingly enough though, the new 720p VP9 format has a bitrate similar to fmt136 but has visual quality slightly to considerably better than fmt22.


EDIT: For reference if you enable YouTube's HTML5 player in Firefox you'll be served fmt22 for 720p because Firefox does not support DASH for HTML5.
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When is h.265 going to hit as a standard? From the looks of it we should see quite an improvement in quality vs bandwidth.
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When is h.265 going to hit as a standard? From the looks of it we should see quite an improvement in quality vs bandwidth.
I'll be honest, you probably won't see h.265-based media for a while; H.264 was 4 years old before flash player added support for it in 2007.

Remember, VP9 is open source, and most open source projects move along very quickly.
 
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I'll be honest, you probably won't see h.265-based media for a while; H.264 was 4 years old before flash player added support for it in 2007.

Remember, VP9 is open source, and most open source projects move along very quickly.

who is you're avatar? I remember seeing it back in on ps2 but cant remember the name
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i just want good video qualilty and 60fps videos....
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who is you're avatar? I remember seeing it back in on ps2 but cant remember the name

The only PS2 I know is "PlayStation 2" and "Phantasy Star 2", but my avatar is a sprite of Rin Tohsaka directly ripped from the Fate/stay night visual novel. There is a PS2 port of the VN (visual novel) but all releases of the VN have been Japan only and PS2 discs are region-locked.


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i just want good video qualilty and 60fps videos....

Well personally I think their VP9 encodes have pretty good video quality. If you want 60fps you can render your 60fps video at half speed 30fps and then use the playback speed fuction in the YouTube HTML5 player to playback at 60fps.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glu3tmgEJRs

Fun fact: I originally recorded that F-Zero GX footage to do this exact thing. Turns out that F-Zero GX, which was emulated and natively runs at 60fps, will drop to 30fps if your system can't keep up with it. Since I'm only running a measly Brisbane there was no way I'd be able to emulate F-Zero GX at a full 60fps let alone record it at the same time.
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The only PS2 I know is "PlayStation 2" and "Phantasy Star 2", but my avatar is a sprite of Rin Tohsaka directly ripped from the Fate/stay night visual novel. There is a PS2 port of the VN (visual novel) but all releases of the VN have been Japan only and PS2 discs are region-locked.


EDIT:
Well personally I think their VP9 encodes have pretty good video quality. If you want 60fps you can render your 60fps video at half speed 30fps and then use the playback speed fuction in the YouTube HTML5 player to playback at 60fps.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glu3tmgEJRs

Fun fact: I originally recorded that F-Zero GX footage to do this exact thing. Turns out that F-Zero GX, which was emulated and natively runs at 60fps, will drop to 30fps if your system can't keep up with it. Since I'm only running a measly Brisbane there was no way I'd be able to emulate F-Zero GX at a full 60fps let alone record it at the same time.

Yeah, I have actually dont this before, since im running html5 all the time but I mean, its just more of a bit hassle doing all that stuff as opposed to just uploading a 60fps video straight to youtube and let it be. But yeah, I hope more people will encode that way so we can get 60fps vids
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But yeah, I hope more people will encode that way so we can get 60fps vids

The only thing is making the audio not sound like crap. I may be quite the technological audiophile but even I have no idea how the audio in that 60fps Metroid video sounds so good!

The thing is, pitch correction is applied on playback so you can't just slow down the audio to half speed and call it a day like you can do with the video footage.
 
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