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I HATE comcast with a passion. Now that i live in the country, I have a small town power company who buried fiber everywhere out here. They are great and I have no complaints. They will give you any speed you want (cost goes up accordingly) but I always have the lowest ping in every bf4 server in my region. The TV package is great and there is someone there that will answer the phone 24 hours a day at an office 5 miles from me. If Im ever in a comcast only area again I would rather buy a Verizon hot spot.
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paying per byte is a perfectly fair and valid way to charge for internet

Actually its not. Working for comcast the cost difference between a customer that used 100gb or 3tb was about 10c. The bandwidth is there weather its used or not.

Lol we had speeds up to 250mb at our office so people would bring in laptops with external hard drives and torrent all day, people would do all there steam downloads. Hell we had a big screen tv in our break room, had tvs with cable boxes at each desk and we were able to watch anything we wanted. We had all the tvs in our call center ordering mma, boxing, wrestlemania and then once a month all boxes got zeroed out. It makes no cost difference if they had people downloading tb of data.

that doesn't matter

they have costs and they provide services

heavy users paying more is a reasonable way to divide the cost


if you actually charged people for the real costs, you'll would spend more money on CS representatives than anything related to providing internet
try explaining to the average American what it takes to set up an end-to-end connection between their home and Youtube's servers and how you are calculating what fraction of that cost they should be paying, why they don't need to pay for the entire cost of setting up a 1st-time connection, why they are paying for installation that was performed by the previous property owner, etc. etc.

anyways, it's probably illegal to charge someone living in a remote area extra because you had to lay down extra cable to get there
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that doesn't matter

they have costs and they provide services

heavy users paying more is a reasonable way to divide the cost


if you actually charged people for the real costs, you'll would spend more money on CS representatives than anything related to providing internet
try explaining to the average American what it takes to set up an end-to-end connection between their home and Youtube's servers and how you are calculating what fraction of that cost they should be paying, why they don't need to pay for the entire cost of setting up a 1st-time connection, why they are paying for installation that was performed by the previous property owner, etc. etc.

anyways, it's probably illegal to charge someone living in a remote area extra because you had to lay down extra cable to get there

When the cost is actually negligible it does matter. Like i said the cost between a regular user who goes no where near the cap and someone who even goes 100gb over the cap is 0. Its only when u get into tbs of overages is there even cents difference. They could allow 10tb caps and have every customer hit that and there profit per customer would only be dam near the same. You are talking about something you honestly know nothing about. Lets put it this way, comcast has the ability in lynnwood(where i worked) to provide 1,000,000tb cap. Besides miniscule charge for electricity usage, it does not cost them a dime more if customers in that area pull 500tb or the full 1,000,000.

On top of that, the x1 uses more bandwidth then a normal customer ever will on a modem. If you really think bandwisth is that important they eould be charging more for x1 users then standard hd dvr users.
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Originally Posted by 8800GT View Post

Says the guy who lives in a country where the government bends you over every second of the day. The irony is strong with this one.

Because Canada is the promise land?
Edited by pwnzilla61 - 5/15/14 at 9:56pm
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This is insane. I don't think he realizes that with 4 people in the household, we use a total of around 400gb a month, and that is ONLY Netflix+Hulu+YouTube.

Now if I have to download a game from steam or MMO or anything..my god...that would destroy my connection. I can easily see myself going over 600gb in my household once I start playing games again.
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Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp View Post

If you don't want to chase away your customers, offer them 3 types of residential service: usage-based billing, marketed toward light users, capped service for moderate use, and uncapped for heavy use. Priced appropriately, that should generally please everyone.

Why do that when they can charge the heavy use price for moderate users, whilst complain about/cap actual heavy users?
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The only problem is that "data" is basically electrons which have no weight, volume, or mass. Unlike electricity, "internet" is not a byproduct of some other form. ISPs merely create the pipeline to your home so you can access the internet.

Help me explain this further...

The Internet is not a resource to be sold and controlled like a commodity.. ISPs do not own the internet, they do not make it. They can only deliver it to you, it cannot be measured or quantified. Therefore ISPs should not be able to charge you based on the amount you use since it is not a commodity.
Edited by aweir - 5/15/14 at 10:13pm
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The only problem is that "data" is basically electrons which have no weight, volume, or mass. Unlike electricity, "internet" is not a byproduct of some other form. ISPs merely create the pipeline to your home so you can access the internet.

Help me explain this further...

The Internet is not a resource to be sold and controlled like a commodity.. ISPs do not own the internet, they do not make it. They can only deliver it to you, it cannot be measured or quantified. Therefore ISPs should not be able to charge you based on the amount you use since it is not a commodity.
That's... amazingly said.
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post #79 of 202
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Because Canada is the promise land?
No. Canada has it's fair share of problems. I just wanted to point out your hypocrisy in a funny, yet factual, manner.

The fact is that people rely on internet so much now a days, it is practically an essential service. Try getting a job with no internet connection. Unless you are looking for higher pay work, forget it. Try keeping in touch with bosses, coworkers etc without the internet. They need to factor internet access into the cost of living and adjust the prices that are "fair" accordingly.
Edited by 8800GT - 5/15/14 at 10:29pm
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I don't understand their reasoning.
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98% of our customers nationally don’t use 300GB/month
To put 300GB in context, our median customer’s data use is about 16 to 18GB per month.
If that's true and so few of their customers need over 300GB a month, why do they need a 350GB cap?

If they do implement a 350GB cap, we'll be paying $50/mo for 31.1 hours (or 26 if upload counts too) of internet. That's ridiculous.
Edited by CJRhoades - 5/15/14 at 10:39pm
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