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So the Seasonic G is not as good as the S12G? Therefore the XTR is better than a Seasonic G, in turn making the Rosewill mentioned better than the Season G as well?

Oh okay, I'm sorry for the tons of questions, but where does the 800W in the peak-rated PSU come from, then? Does every PSU have a peak and continuous rating?

Seasonic S12G is a non modular Seasonic G series, the XTX TS is a S12G rebranded and the XFX XTR is a fully modular Seasonic G.
But the point here is they are all the same PSU nothing has changed on the inside what they changed is the cables thats it nothing more

No only junk is peak rated all the good units are continuous rated
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So the Seasonic G is not as good as the S12G? Therefore the XTR is better than a Seasonic G, in turn making the Rosewill mentioned better than the Season G as well?

Oh okay, I'm sorry for the tons of questions, but where does the 800W in the peak-rated PSU come from, then? Does every PSU have a peak and continuous rating?

 

It's hard to explain. Just multiply 800 by .72 and then find PSUs that have a +12V capacity of at least that much and then you'll get the recommended wattage for continuous-rated PSUs.

 

If the 650W PSUs we are recommending were to have a peak-rating printed on the box or in the specs, then it would be over 850W.

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This doesn't mean that if you find a PSU that has a +12V capacity that's very close to the PSU's overall rated wattage (evidence of a continuous rating) that you found a good, quality-made PSU. That would be like judging the quality of a PSU by its 80+ Certification.

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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

Seasonic S12G is a non modular Seasonic G series, the XTX TS is a S12G rebranded and the XFX XTR is a fully modular Seasonic G.
But the point here is they are all the same PSU nothing has changed on the inside what they changed is the cables thats it nothing more

No only junk is peak rated all the good units are continuous rated

Oh okay, so in theory, I could get any of the four and be set at 650W, my cable options would just be different.

Haha okay, I'll remember that.
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It's hard to explain. Just multiply 800 by .72 and then find PSUs that have a +12V capacity of at least that much and then you'll get the recommended wattage for continuous-rated PSUs.

If the 650W PSUs we are recommending were to have a peak-rating printed on the box or in the specs, then it would be over 850W.

Alrighty, I understand now. Would that work backwards to, in theory, find the peak rating of continuous-rated PSUs, then? For example, dividing 650/.75= about 900?
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This doesn't mean that if you find a PSU that has a +12V capacity that's very close to the PSU's overall rated wattage (evidence of a continuous rating) that you found a good, quality-made PSU. That would be like judging the quality of a PSU by its 80+ Certification.

Then what does that mean? I'm sorry, I don't really know anything about PSUs and all of this is a bit overwhelming...
Edited by MachineCitizen - 5/16/14 at 7:24am
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Oh okay, so in theory, I could get any of the four and be set at 650W, my cable options would just be different.

Haha okay, I'll remember that.
Alrighty, I understand now. Would that work backwards to, in theory, find the peak rating of continuous-rated PSUs, then? For example, dividing 650/.75= about 900?

 

Sometimes. :) 900 x .72 is 648W, so yeah.

 

It took me a while to discover dividing by .72. I just decided one day to see if there was a formula that could be used most of the time, so I began trying different things and I stumbled upon .72. I don't know why it's .72, but hey! It doesn't ALWAYS work though.

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Sometimes. smile.gif 900 x .72 is 648W, so yeah.

It took me a while to discover dividing by .72. I just decided one day to see if there was a formula that could be used most of the time, so I began trying different things and I stumbled upon .72. I don't know why it's .72, but hey! It doesn't ALWAYS work though.

Haha I see, so I shouldn't be banking on using that, then.

And, you said in your last post that a PSUs +12v wattage matching/being near it's maximum rated wattage doesn't mean it's good, but what does that mean, then? Does this go back to what you said in the beginning about how the specifications aren't what's important?
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Haha I see, so I shouldn't be banking on using that, then.

And, you said in your last post that a PSUs +12v wattage matching/being near it's maximum rated wattage doesn't mean it's good, but what does that mean, then? Does this go back to what you said in the beginning about how the specifications aren't what's important?

 

Yep. There is absolutely no way to judge the quality of a PSU without opening it up and knowing what you're looking at, without proper testing equipment, without proper knowledge on how to use that equipment, and without proper knowledge on how to interpret the results. The professional reviewers at JonnyGURU.com are among the best, particularly Jonny Gerow himself and Oklahoma Wolf. They know how to judge the quality of a PSU, and it requires opening them up and examining the internals and it also requires a battery of tests.

 

I am nowhere near being able to judge the quality of a PSU, but I do know which PSUs have been judged as being good!


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I agree with others that 850W is far overkill for this build. A good 650W would be fine, even for SLI, although I don't think it's unreasonable to pick out a 750W for future-proofing purposes - say, if you found yourself wanting a pair of more power-hungry video cards in the future with everything overclocked.

I would spend a little bit more for a 240-256gb SSD. It's not necessary, but you'll probably appreciate the extra space.

The Sabertooth is an excellent board, but it's not worth the price premium IMO. There are plenty of great socket 1150 motherboards in the $150-$200 range to choose from.

There is little to no advantage of the i7 over the i5 for gaming and photo editing. Video editing would benefit, but not photo editing. I suggest saving the money and going i5.

16GB won't be used for gaming for some time to come, but it's good for multitasking and for editing large photos. I would go for it.

GTX780 is a fantastic card, but it's a bit overkill for 1080p. Yes, it will offer you some futureproofing, but personally, I would take a different approach on this kind of budget. I would:

- Get a 27" 1440p monitor instead of 1080p.
- To stay within budget, step down to a less expensive 1080p card, like GTX760
- Use 1440p monitor for 1080p gaming. In 2-3 years, replace GTX760 with proper 1440p card of GTX780ti performance or above. Such cards will be substantially cheaper then.

Or, if you can stretch your budget somewhat and can afford to upgrade again within the next year or two:
- Get a 27" 1440p monitor instead of 1080p
- Get 4GB version of GTX770, play at 1080p until you can afford to buy second GTX770 4GB
- Enjoy 1440p gaming with SLI GTX770s
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I have to kind of somewhat agree that the 780 is overkill for 1080p. Crysis 3 is supposed to be the most demanding game on the market (I think?), and my sig rig is killing it with performance that feels like nearly constant 60 FPS at 1680 x 1050, all settings in Crysis 3 as high as they can possibly go - except I'm using FXAA (which I prefer anyway). Notice my overclock so far: 1215 / 6300. My stock is 993 / 6009.2. At stock, there are areas in Crysis 3 where I feel lag. After overclocking, that lag is gone.


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I have to kind of somewhat agree that the 780 is overkill for 1080p. Crysis 3 is supposed to be the most demanding game on the market (I think?), and my sig rig is killing it with performance that feels like nearly constant 60 FPS at 1680 x 1050, all settings in Crysis 3 as high as they can possibly go - except I'm using FXAA (which I prefer anyway). Notice my overclock so far: 1215 / 6300. My stock is 993 / 6009.2. At stock, there are areas in Crysis 3 where I feel lag. After overclocking, that lag is gone.
I can't believe you're running a GTX780 for 1680x1050 monitor. You must really love your FPS! I run Crysis 3 on high (not very high) with FXAA on a GTX670 @1920x1200. Average FPS in the 40-60 range, occasional dips to ~25.
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AMD FX-8350 ASUS M5A97 Galaxy GTX670 GC 4 x 4GB Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US (30nm Samsung "Mag... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 830 128GB WD Scorpio Black DVD-RW Phanteks PH-TC14PE 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Performer with 2x Noctua ... Windows 7 Home Premium Dell 2407WFP (24", 1920x1200) Microsoft Natural 4000 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Seasonic X-650 Gold Corsair Obsidian 550D Logitech MX518 Logitech 2.0 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 860 Intel DH55PJ Radeon HD 5770 2x 4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate Momentus XT 500gb DVD-RW Thermalright Venemous X Windows 8 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LED TV (1080P) Microsoft Wireless Desktop 5000 Corsair 450VX Antec Solo 
MouseAudioOther
Microsoft Wireless Desktop 5000 TV speakers + 3 add-in USB 3.0 ports (2 front, 1 back) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsHard Drive
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 Unsure Onboard Unknown 160GB EIDE (System drive) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Hitachi 3TB Western Digital 3TB Samsung 2TB Samsung 2TB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Unknown 1TB Unknown 1TB Unknown 500GB DVD-RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Coolermaster Hyper TX-3 Windows 8 Professional Unknown 19" LCD Some crappy old Dell keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Antec Earthwatts 380 Cooler Master HAF 912 Some old crappy mouse None 
Other
Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 Media Center Kit Dual ... 
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