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Hi guys I'm completely new to overclocking and I was told that i shouldn't with my stock cooler....just a possibly super stupid question: can a dual tower heatsink fit in a mid tower case
currently my build is:
4670k
g1 sniper m5 (can someone also explain to me why a matx in a atx case is super bad?)
gigabyte gtx 780 oc edition 3gb
16 gb of 2400 hyper x memory
nanoxia deep silence 1 atx case
Corsair CS750M 750W ATX 80+
evo 840 ssd
Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM
please tell me if i'm doing anything wrong thank you:D
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Hi guys I'm completely new to overclocking and I was told that i shouldn't with my stock cooler....just a possibly super stupid question: can a dual tower heatsink fit in a mid tower case

 

It depends on which one you're talking about and whether or not the case is wide enough for it. Not all mid towers are the same width.

 

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4670k
g1 sniper m5 (can someone also explain to me why a matx in a atx case is super bad?)

 

Who told you that it's bad?

 

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please tell me if i'm doing anything wrong thank you:D

 

What do you mean?

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ahhh okay that makes a lot of sense i'll look into it because before i thought it was only for full towers
...i just hear people saying noob when you put a matx in a mid tower and welll...i didn't quite understand
And yea...i'm kinda new to using forum so i don't really want to offend/annoy anyone posting into the wrong place or saying the wrong thing

Thank you so much though biggrin.gif
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Hi guys I'm completely new to overclocking and I was told that i shouldn't with my stock cooler....just a possibly super stupid question: can a dual tower heatsink fit in a mid tower case

Like TwoCables said depends on your case and the Heatsink but there is bound to be one that fits if you post the one you are looking at getting someone will be able to tell you.
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g1 sniper m5 (can someone also explain to me why a matx in a atx case is super bad?)

I can't see why this would be bad except for being limited too one PCI and possibly the "wasted" space in you case with the mATX being shorter than an ATX board. But there isn't anything wrong with doing that. If you were cramming an ATX board into a mATX case then we would have problems haha.
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ahhh okay that makes a lot of sense i'll look into it because before i thought it was only for full towers
...i just hear people saying noob when you put a matx in a mid tower and welll...i didn't quite understand

 

Say, "I can build my computer any way that I want. If I wanted to put a Micro ATX motherboard in a full tower case next time, then I'll do it. It doesn't matter what others think. All that matters is if I'm happy with my build."

 

Sigh. lol

 

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And yea...i'm kinda new to using forum so i don't really want to offend/annoy anyone posting into the wrong place or saying the wrong thing

Thank you so much though biggrin.gif

 

You're welcome. If anyone gives you any grief for doing something wrong (such as posting in the wrong forum), then just kindly remind them that you're new. People need to relax (not you - them). lol :)

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Hi guys I'm completely new to overclocking and I was told that i shouldn't with my stock cooler....just a possibly super stupid question: can a dual tower heatsink fit in a mid tower case
currently my build is:
4670k
g1 sniper m5 (can someone also explain to me why a matx in a atx case is super bad?)
gigabyte gtx 780 oc edition 3gb
16 gb of 2400 hyper x memory
nanoxia deep silence 1 atx case
Corsair CS750M 750W ATX 80+
evo 840 ssd
Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM
please tell me if i'm doing anything wrong thank you:D
Two Cables answered most very well.

I will add:
  • No problem with microATX in ATX case, but obviously can't put ATX in a microATX case. Some microATX and ATX have same features, just less expansion slots and less HDD connections. Smaller case size can be nice depending on where it's put.
  • GTX 780 uses up to 250w. i5 4670 is 84w. The 3x 90mm fans on GTX 780 will need 2x good case intake fans to supply as much air as they use. And you will need at least 1 more intake for CPU cooler. I would suggest changing case fans to PWM fans and using the PWM signal from motherboard CPU fan header and GPU fan header to control them. Doing this allows case fans to slow down / speed up the same as CPU & GPU fans do.
  • Memory up to about 40mm tall will fit under most coolers, but 140mm cooler fan may not fit between memory and side cover.
  • Deep Silence 1 has 185mm CPU clearance so any cooler you want will fit. I assume you already have it? The top vents are not of much use. Front intakes are only 120mm. There are bottom and back 140mm vents. There are better cases for similar money new if you do not have it already.
    • Memory height + 3mm = motherboard to top of memory.
    • CPU clearance + 8mm = motherboard to top of cooler.
    • 185mm CPU clearance will allow you to have memory up to 40mm tall.
  • I've found Corsair PSUs are not as quiet as they claim they are. In fact I have two TX V.2 that Corsair lied saying it had "Ultra Quiet fan".. but it can easily be heard from 2 meters away even when computer is doing nothing. New TX fan does not run at idle.. they say. rolleyes.gif
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I assume you already have it?
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Hahaha no i was just choosing one and a friend told me to wait for the NH-D15....and i didn't think it was possible to fit a dual tower heatsink in a atx case...not to mention my build with the 780 sticking out already

he also suggested changing my stock fans into nf-12a pwm or flx....although i don't have the money for all this just yet :3

oh and thank you everyone for your welcoming and positive attitude towards me i really do appreciate it T.T
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Depending on what you want in a case Phanteks makes very good cases. The only one available at the moment is the Enthoo Primo for $250 MSRP but their new Enthoo Pro should be on the market in a few more weeks for $90 without window and $100 with.

Regrettably most reviews are ignorant of how the Phantels PWM controlled 3-pin fan hub works. Owners of Enthoo Primo case love the PWM conrolled 3-pin fan hub.. and I'm one of them. Plug the PWM fan lead into hub and CPU fan header. Plug PSU power to fan hub and plug fans into hub. Control the fan speed curve with motherboar's own software like Asus Fan Xpert, Gigabyte EZTune, and MSI hardware monitor. This way the fans speed up or slow down as system needs more or less cooling.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2014/05/06/phanteks-enthoo-pro-review/1
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cases/leo-waldock/phanteks-enthoo-pro-review/
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phanteks_enthoo_pro/
http://benchmarkreviews.com/15792/phanteks-enthoo-pro-tower-case-review/

Noctua fan are very good.. but also far from cheap. There are others that do a good job too for far money.

Thank you for the thank you. thumb.gif
post #9 of 22
As others have said, there's nothing wrong with putting a micro-ATX board in an ATX case.

As far as air coolers are concerned, the two measurements you need to be concerned about are the maximum height cooler that will fit in your case and the height of your memory. Your Nanoxia case allows for coolers up to 185mm wide and I don't know the height of your memory unless you give us specific model of memory you're talking about (HyperX Blue, HyperX Beast, etc.) Almost any air cooler will fit within your case dimensions, but you'll need to find out the height of your memory before we can make a good recommendation.

Water cooling is also an option. There are a number of AIO (All-in-One) water cooling kits you can use, and generally which ones you can use are dictated by the fan mounting points on the back and top of your case.

There are also high-end "custom loop" water cooling systems. These are expensive and not recommended for the first-time overclocker.


Let me try to summarize your cooling options:

Air cooling ($15 to $90):
Pros: Most cost-effective coolers (most cooling for the money). Most reliable. Quieter than similarly-performing AIO water coolers.
Cons: For small to medium coolers, none. However, large air coolers have a few disadvantages. Large air coolers may not fit in all cases and with all memory configurations. Large air coolers can put dangerous stress on the motherboard, especially while the computer is being moved. Large air coolers can also significantly impede airflow, increasing case temperatures.

All-in-One (AIO) water cooling ($50 to $180):
Pros: Many AIO systems fit where large air coolers do not. Case width and memory height are usually of no concern. The best AIO coolers outperform the best air coolers. AIO coolers allow for a cleaner look inside the case, better airflow, and easier system maintenance.
Cons: More complexity than air cooling makes AIO coolers less reliable than air coolers. Pump failure is a possibility, and leakage, which may destroy components, is rare but possible. System lifespan is limited to a few years because of evaporation. Most units are louder and less cost-effective than similarly-performing air counterparts. Larger units have large radiators that may not fit in certain cases.

"Custom loop" water cooling ($150 and up):
Pros: Superior cooling performance. Case width and memory height are usually of no concern. Allow for good airflow inside the case. Numerous customization options. Replaceable system parts. Well-designed systems are extremely quiet. May be expanded to cool video card(s) and motherboard chipset in addition to CPU. Customization and planning leads to pride of ownership for many owners.
Cons: Expensive. Value of spending large amounts of money on cooling is questionable to many. Typically require medium to large cases with appropriate mounting points for radiators. Complex selection process and setup. Complexity makes these less reliable than air coolers (but more reliable than most AIO coolers, because custom systems tend to use higher-quality parts). Incorrect installation may lead to leakage and equipment damage. Regular maintenance, especially fluid level checks, are required. Not recommended for beginners.

I think that does it. Let us know what your budget and goals are and we can make some recommendations. If you're unsure, I recommend starting with a medium-sized air cooler in the $25-$60 range.
Edited by synge - 5/16/14 at 8:00am
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ooo thank you for that...I think I might work a few extra shifts consider a AIO because i don't think i'd be able to sli in the future if i got a air cooler now that i've taken a look into my rig....well i guess that's the problem with the matx case and custom loops a bit extreme for me ><''''''. Any recommendations on any AIO's?
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