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ooo thank you for that...I think I might work a few extra shifts consider a AIO because i don't think i'd be able to sli in the future if i got a air cooler now that i've taken a look into my rig....well i guess that's the problem with the matx case and custom loops a bit extreme for me ><''''''. Any recommendations on any AIO's?
Sure, although I don't recommend going AIO unless your budget is at least $70. What's your budget?
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The Corsair H100i is very popular, but expensive.

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As others have said, there's nothing wrong with putting a micro-ATX board in an ATX case.

As far as air coolers are concerned, the two measurements you need to be concerned about are the maximum height cooler that will fit in your case and the height of your memory. Your Nanoxia case allows for coolers up to 185mm wide and I don't know the height of your memory unless you give us specific model of memory you're talking about (HyperX Blue, HyperX Beast, etc.) Almost any air cooler will fit within your case dimensions, but you'll need to find out the height of your memory before we can make a good recommendation.

Water cooling is also an option. There are a number of AIO (All-in-One) water cooling kits you can use, and generally which ones you can use are dictated by the fan mounting points on the back and top of your case.

There are also high-end "custom loop" water cooling systems. These are expensive and not recommended for the first-time overclocker.


Let me try to summarize your cooling options:

Air cooling ($15 to $90):
Pros: Most cost-effective coolers (most cooling for the money). Most reliable. Quieter than similarly-performing AIO water coolers.
Cons: For small to medium coolers, none. However, large air coolers have a few disadvantages. Large air coolers may not fit in all cases and with all memory configurations. Large air coolers can put dangerous stress on the motherboard, especially while the computer is being moved. Large air coolers can also significantly impede airflow, increasing case temperatures.

All-in-One (AIO) water cooling ($50 to $180):
Pros: Many AIO systems fit where large air coolers do not. Case width and memory height are usually of no concern. The best AIO coolers outperform the best air coolers. AIO coolers allow for a cleaner look inside the case, better airflow, and easier system maintenance.
Cons: More complexity than air cooling makes AIO coolers less reliable than air coolers. Pump failure is a possibility, and leakage, which may destroy components, is rare but possible. System lifespan is limited to a few years because of evaporation. Most units are louder and less cost-effective than similarly-performing air counterparts. Larger units have large radiators that may not fit in certain cases.

I think that does it. Let us know what your budget and goals are and we can make some recommendations. If you're unsure, I recommend starting with a medium-sized air cooler in the $25-$60 range.
Top air perform about the same as top CLC.. and are much quieter doing it.

Silver Arrow SB-E is 1c warmer but H100 is 3 times as loud.. 3 8dBA compared to H100 at 55dBA.. 17dBA difference sounds 3 times as loud. (10dBA sounds twice as loud)
Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme is 1dBA louder (takes 3dBA to hear a difference) and 7c cooler that H100.

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Temperature is delta.

H100 . . . . . . . . . 41c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 55dBA 2x fans (stock)
SA SB-E . . . . . . . 42c1100rpm & 1300rpm. . 38dBA TY-150 & TY-141 (stock)
SA SB-E Extreme. . 34c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 56dBA 2x TY-143 (stock)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo
jump in to 3:40 for results

Few testers do accurate testing. They use room ambient as base temperature when the temperature of air going into cooler / radiator is the important temperature to determine how well a cooler cools. The way they do it only shows how well coolers perform in their system. But not in any of our systems. Using cooler intake air temp shows us how well the coolers perform. That is what I want to know. Not how their system performs.
post #14 of 22
The only AIO cooling thay worth a try are
Cooler Master Glacer 240L(Swiftech)
Cooler Master Eisberg Prestige 240L(alphacool)
Swiftech h220/x which

These three outperform to the h110 and use less space.

As for the heatsink it will deppend how far the cpu can be,most of the times(i5 4670ks /i7 4770ks needs to be delidded for frequencies higher than 4.5ghz)
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NZXT Kraken X60? CM Eisberg 240? Corsair H110? Noise aside, I'm having a hard time believing those can't beat air...
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NZXT Kraken X60? CM Eisberg 240? Corsair H110? Noise aside, I'm having a hard time believing those can't beat air...

CLC's beat out air heatsinks at stock by a couple degrees C in most tests I've seen, hardly worth bothering about. But the big air coolers use 1300 fans generally.

EDIT: H100i Has 2700 rpm fans (added in as its most popular it seems)

Antec 1250 uses 2400 rpm fans

Kraken x60 uses 2000 rpm fans

CM Eisberg 240 uses 1600 rpm fans

Corsair H110 uses 1500 rpm fans.

Corsair H105 uses 2700 rpm fans

On the other hand stock air heatsinks:

Phanteks PH-TC14PE uses 1300 rpm

Cryorig R1 Ultimate uses 1300 rpm fans

Silver Arrow IB-E uses 1300 rpm fans

Noctua NHd -15 uses 1500 rpm fans http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2014/05/01/noctua-nh-d15-review/2

Noctua matches and beats the CLC's here.

If you put a couple of 2400 rpm fans on an air heatsink I think that might change things from the stock results in most reviews. Probably still be quieter, with no added pump noise and with the heatsink fins being wider spaced then rad fins reducing air turbulence noise.

Just my point of view smile.gif
Edited by Slink3Slyde - 5/16/14 at 10:56am
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Interesting info on coolers. I'm just trying to present facts as I know them. Sounds like, noise aside, the top AIOs do in fact beat the top air coolers in their stock configurations, with the possible exception of the Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme?

Once you start fan-modding, I would think that the only way to declare a winner for the fan-modded class would be to test each out in their maximum possible configurations... say, 3x TY-143 on a Phanteks TC14PE vs. 4x TY-143 in push/pull on a Kraken X60? I would think that the Kraken would win here, but I may be wrong. smile.gif

If I were OP, I would just get a Thermalright Macho 120 for $45 and call it a day...
Edited by synge - 5/16/14 at 11:30am
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Interesting info on coolers. I'm just trying to present facts as I know them. Sounds like, noise aside, the top AIOs do in fact beat the top air coolers in their stock configurations, with the possible exception of the Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme?

Once you start fan-modding, I would think that the only way to declare a winner for the fan-modded class would be to test each out in their maximum possible configurations... say, 3x TY-143 on a Phanteks TC14PE vs. 4x TY-143 in push/pull on a Kraken X60? I would think that the Kraken would win here, but I may be wrong. smile.gif

If I were OP, I would just get a Thermalright Macho 120 for $45 and call it a day...

Yup, the best CLC's just about beat air according to most reviews I've seen at stock.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/henry-butt/corsair-h100-h100i-performance-comparison-with-sp120-fans/4/

Push pull here gets you an extra 4c less on the H100i can't find data for x60.

I would theorize that if you almost doubled the RPM on a top dual tower air heatsinks fans and added a third they would be more than competitive. Only a theory though I dont have that data at the moment sorry. redface.gif

On topic biggrin.gif:

If you want out of the box plug and play performance and don't care about noise or the risk of leakage, and don't want to think to much about your case airflow get a CLC.

On the air side you may have to check your RAM clearance and case HSF clearance, your case should clear anything available on the side panel. It will not leak tongue.gif

OP if you want to overclock as far as you can without going custom loop, I'm going to say that either top end air like any of the ones (and a couple others) I mentioned above or a top 240/280 CLC will get you similar results at stock.

If you're after a mild overclock 4.2 GHZ say and don't want to push things to far there's no need for either and I agree something like the Macho or Be Quiet Dark Rock would be a better choice, for noise and reliability and roughly equal performance over any 140/120 rad CLC. Unless you want the screaming fans for an extra 3C less temp. YMMV of course. smile.gif

I actually went from an Arctic I30 to my current CryoRIG R1 Ultimate and ran some tests here Not the best presentation I'm afraid but at least should give you an idea of how much or little extra performance you actually get for going top end over mid range cooling on quad core Intel smile.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1479416/big-air-vs-budget-air-cryorig-r1-ultimate-vs-arctic-freezer-i-30-comparison

I will add though you may find it frustrating if unlike me you get a really nice chip and hit a temperature wall before a voltage one wink.gif
Edited by Slink3Slyde - 5/16/14 at 12:17pm
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Most reviews are using a stock case with stock fans and stock coolers. As soon as they add a H100 or similar 240mm radiator they have added 2 more case exhaust or case intake fan. This means more airflow through case thereby increasing and cooling the case better if radiator fans are exhausting out of case. The radiator being mounted on the case separates the intake air from the heated exhaust from cooler too. This lowers cooler intake air temps 5-10c lower than air coolers.. and the more air the air cooler fans more the hotter the case gets because the case is not setup to optimize cooling. But these reviews never acknowledge that room ambient is really of little value when testing coolers. We need cooler intake air temperatures recorded so we can see how well the cooler are actually cooling and not what the tester's system is doing.
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All coolers were tested in an open case lying flat for ease of fan swapping and intake temperature monitoring. A Thermalright TY-147 (1200rpm) was positioned over the chipset to keep the motherboard and memory cool. Ambient room temperature was not measured; instead, a more specific and accurate measurement of intake temperature was used when calculating final results (thanks to doyll for this suggestion). The image below shows how I incorporated this approach into my testing, with the thermistor from a small electronic thermometer placed directly in the path of the intake fan.

I found that the intake temperature almost always differed from the ambient room temperature and, perhaps more significantly, it also varied a lot between tests, depending on the fan speed used and the positioning of the thermistor. With higher fan speeds the intake temperature fluctuated significantly because the exhaust air from the cooler was sometimes circulated back into the path of the intake fan; and with lower fan speeds the intake temperature was generally higher because there was no air current to remove the heat being dumped by the motherboard and memory. All this was taken into account when calculating the final results and intake temperature was closely monitored throughout the process.
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=269339
Edited by doyll - 5/16/14 at 1:02pm
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High end air is the better choice over AIO CLC. While it may or may not perform degree to degree as good (some do)...

No worries about leaks/dead pumps
Quieter
Around the same price or cheaper

Either way you will be well below TJMax (not the clothing store that I beg my wife to not make me go to) and meet your needs.
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