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I have a serious question I need answered guys, I have 3 Amd sytems total a fx 6100 based system, fx 9370, and A10 6800k apu system. The other day I was watching a guy on youtube do a comparison between a fx 6100 vs i5 3770k, he used the same game Battlefield 3 and used the same video card as well.the fps were identical throught the gaming session so my question is this...... For a gaming machine does Intel get more fps? Ive seen benchmarks were they are ahead by a few fps yet this guy was getting identical results with his 2 systems.His point of the video was to show theres no point in spending xtra money on the intel. Whats your opinion on this? I want to build myself a Intel based gaming rig thats why iam asking. Thank you and dont mean to start a war iam just wondering what the truth is thats all.
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In general Intel chips will perform better due to their higher IPC, how much better depends on the game.

 

This topic has been beaten to death so I'll just leave it at that.

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WIth the current modern mid/higher end cpu's, unless you are using multiple videos cards it really is a matter of a few frames. So it's up to personal preference. The extra cost of the intel' isn't worth it to me personally unless its for doing some really heavy encoding or other extremely cpu heavy stuff where a 10% difference in speed over the course of a week or two may save hours of processing. That in mind and back to the gaming topic, I'm sure the high end videocards benefit more and perform better with the higher end cpu's.
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Chances are that guys like me will say Intel is King while guys running AMD will say the opposite.

I have two gaming machines running AMD and the one in my sig running Intel.
No question my sig rig is a better machine than the two AMD rigs.

BUT!

The AMD rigs run every game my sons have thrown at them without any issues.
Including BF4 and Crysis 3

And I spent less on the two AMD rigs combined than I spent on my sig rig.
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So basicly the intel chips will get more fps with multiple gpus vs a amd system? With 1 video card not so much the results are almost identical depending on the game.Iam really considering getting a 4930k with a multi gpu setup after I finish my fx 9370 build. But ive seen mixed results on benchmarks like toms for example always has the intels ahead by miles, in real world senerios not so much right? Or are they just cherry picking the benchmarks they know work well with intel vs amd?.........Thank you for your input guys.Regardless like I said iam long overdue for a Intel based system myself, id love to get the xtremme $1000 cpu but I dont see that being a reality on my salary lol.
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So basicly the intel chips will get more fps with multiple gpus vs a amd system? With 1 video card not so much the results are almost identical depending on the game.Iam really considering getting a 4930k with a multi gpu setup after I finish my fx 9370 build. But ive seen mixed results on benchmarks like toms for example always has the intels ahead by miles, in real world senerios not so much right? Or are they just cherry picking the benchmarks they know work well with intel vs amd?.........Thank you for your input guys.Regardless like I said iam long overdue for a Intel based system myself, id love to get the xtremme $1000 cpu but I dont see that being a reality on my salary lol.

Intel chips handle multi GPU setups better in general, yes. With one GPU the difference in some games between a 4670K and 8350 may not be much, while in other, more CPU intensive games like StarCraft 2 the difference can be substantial.

 

You may notice I'm using the term 'in general' a lot, that's because there are huge variances between different games and programs. It's up to you to research which chip that suits your needs best.

 

Also, I would avoid Tom's Hardware for reviews, I don't trust them at all.

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What gpu are you planning to use?
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This is going to turn into a fight, no doubt. But the simple answer is that

You can save money by going AMD and put more money toward a better GPU if you plan on playing newer games that scale well to more cores

Intel is usually better in older games. But you should look to see if the difference is viable for you (ergo 60hz monitor and FX gets 70fps while Intel gets 150 will provide the same experience assuming minimum FPS is similar)

Intel is much better in emulators such as PCSX2 and Dolphin.

Intel is much better at RTS games like Starcraft 2 (RTS games generally don't scale well to multiple cores but Star Swarm might change things

The thing is that when you go AMD, you have overclocking advantage in lower price brackets where you can't get a K Intel. The AMD solution is also generally cheaper compared to something with Intel, so you usually can bump your GPU up a step. Going one class up (280x to 290, 270x to 280) with a weaker CPU is generally a much better idea as most of the time you're going to be limited by your GPU anyways.

Reviews can be deceptive about this because they will compare $160 to $240 4670k with the same graphics card and then go "wow Intel wins!" The problem is that that $80 difference is enough to take you from a R9 270x to a R9 280x. And clearly, the 280x system will outperform the 270x system no problem. You should look at your needs a lot closer, review sites generally throw in the best GPU they can to highlight the CPU differences, but a real world system (at least going by Steam Hardware Survey) won't be running some high end GTX or R9 chip, something more like GTX 760 or r9 270x. The CPU is a lot less relevant when you are using a lower end graphics card.

I always say, if you are CPU bottlenecked playing games and not GPU bottlenecked, you should upgrade your monitor first to something higher resolution. The fact that AMD CPUs are cheaper and bottleneck quicker leaves me room for nicer things.

I actually contemplated between 3930k and FX 8350 when building this build, but I went with a water loop + CPU + mobo + RAM for about the cost of a 3930k and then I took that money I would have spent on a motherboard and put it toward a 1440p Korean IPS. I still have no regrets, but it's just because Blender is the most important performance sensitive program I run and I got Blender to beat 3930k in Windows when FX is using highly optimized Blender in Gentoo wink.gif

No one is going to give you an answer in this thread. It will probably end up locked. But you need to look at what you want out of your computer and what is more important to you. Monitors are often overlooked as a part of the system, and I'd rather have lower FPS on a glorious 1440p IPS monitor as opposed to higher FPS on a 1080p TN panel. AMD makes it a lot easier for me to get that experience.
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When you step back and look at the population playing games on the PC, those games are not threaded very well. It's very true that some newer games exist that are properly threaded to allow the FX-8xxx series to keep up and perform satisfactory but the masses aren't playing those games. The masses are playing games that can only utilize one to three cores and that's why you should look for higher per core performance instead of total processor performance for gaming.

This is why people recommend Intel for gaming, their significantly faster per core performance allows for excellent performance across all games, not just a few newer ones. The importance of that higher per core performance is needed even more if you decide that you want to push for higher refresh rate monitors.I hope this isn't the case in a few years but quad core processors have been available for many years now and we still see games released on engines that can't even max a quad so I think we still have a long time to wait before we see 90% of games utilizing as many processor cores that are available.

But there will be situations where vishera will provide 90 fps while haswell can provide 120fps but this is irrelevant if you use a 60Hz monitor. In a situation like this the only real down fall of vishera is the significantly higher power consumption. Depending on how much work you do with your system and how much power costs where you live, it's very possible for the higher power consumption to completely eat up the initial savings from going with an AMD processor instead of Intel.

The blame of lesser performance while gaming is more on the game developers than AMD.

These are undeniable facts, no fanboyism or exaggeration.
Edited by Derp - 5/16/14 at 10:52am
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Here's a side by side that Tasm did on his own. To me the difference is so small for what I use my rig for the cost is not worth it to me.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1458927/home-review-amd-fx-8320-4-5-vs-intel-3570k-4-5
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