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Poll Results: How many years have you owned your X58 - Tylersburg platofrm?

 
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post #1101 of 12444
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Try overclocking from scratch by updating the bios and clearing the cmos. Set the tuning mode to extreme oc and Ai overclock tuner to manual. That way the board doesn't interfere with the settings.
Mad!
Well I tried Daves theory that my Turbo isnt enabled, and well it is. Then I noticed in the BIOS that it says my max multiplier is 22. For the heck of it I tried setting 21 again, and it just instantly changes to 22 again. So, I guess I have the same problem others in this thread mentioned having, no 23 multi for my x5650. A friend of mine said it is a well known problem and several others in this thread said they have the same thing happening.

In my BIOS I do not have a Tuning mode that can be changed to "Extreme OC", but I do have a section in the CPU performance page that says "Extreme OV" and "Extreme OC", but the latter only gives me "Auto" "Mode 1" and "Mode 2" with no explanation. After messing with a bunch more settings and trying various stuff out, CPU-Z now claims I have a 3 core chip with only 6 threads.

Going back to my previous profile to see if all 6 cores up. Weird

EDIT: OK, after going back and forth several times, doing a clean hard reset of the BIOS, I can not get back the 3 cores that were lost. Both CPU-Z and Task Manager claim its a 3C6T cpu now, lol. Even Performance Monitor is only showing 6 graphs, Processor 0-6 (6 threads). Messing in my BIOS to try and get the 23 multiplier has either killed my Xeon or something is now corrupted in my bios. The computer runs great still though. Any ideas what I should check next?


Edited by }SkOrPn--' - 7/12/14 at 1:48pm
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Well I tried Daves theory that my Turbo isnt enabled, and well it is. Then I noticed in the BIOS that it says my max multiplier is 22. For the heck of it I tried setting 21 again, and it just instantly changes to 22 again. So, I guess I have the same problem others in this thread mentioned having, no 23 multi for my x5650. A friend of mine said it is a well known problem and several others in this thread said they have the same thing happening.

In my BIOS I do not have a Tuning mode that can be changed to "Extreme OC", but I do have a section in the CPU performance page that says "Extreme OV" and "Extreme OC", but the latter only gives me "Auto" "Mode 1" and "Mode 2" with no explanation. After messing with a bunch more settings and trying various stuff out, CPU-Z now claims I have a 3 core chip with only 6 threads.

Going back to my previous profile to see if all 6 cores up. Weird

EDIT: OK, after going back and forth several times, doing a clean hard reset of the BIOS, I can not get back the 3 cores that were lost. Both CPU-Z and Task Manager claim its a 3C6T cpu now, lol. Even Performance Monitor is only showing 6 graphs, Processor 0-6 (6 threads). Messing in my BIOS to try and get the 23 multiplier has either killed my Xeon or something is now corrupted in my bios. The computer runs great still though. Any ideas what I should check next?


You tried pulling out the power supply cable and removing the cmos battery for more than a minute?
I find it kind of weird it does that... either the motherboard or the CPU is damaged as far as I can tell...
You have another 1366 chip that you can use to test?
Its probably the only viable option you'll have to find out if its the board or cpu thats fried... from what I can see if a clean cmos reset doesn't fix it then its either the board or CPU thats the problem...
You must have some cheap nehalem or westmere chip laying around somewhere to there out that theory...
I just wish that its not your board bud...
Did you already try those steps?
let us know?
Thanks
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You tried pulling out the power supply cable and removing the cmos battery for more than a minute?
I find it kind of weird it does that... either the motherboard or the CPU is damaged as far as I can tell...
You have another 1366 chip that you can use to test?
Its probably the only viable option you'll have to find out if its the board or cpu thats fried... from what I can see if a clean cmos reset doesn't fix it then its either the board or CPU thats the problem...
You must have some cheap nehalem or westmere chip laying around somewhere to there out that theory...
I just wish that its not your board bud...
Did you already try those steps?
let us know?
Thanks
FIXED! woot, lol...

I have a CLR CMOS button on the back which cuts all power from the BIOS to the Battery, so on this board removing battery is never needed. Yeah, for the heck of it I held down the button for 30 seconds (hard reset which is what I always do anyway), then I plug the PSU back up, flip the switch, powered on and entered into BIOS 2, and then reflashed BIOS 1 (just in case). Removed power again and did a clr cmos, and let it sit while getting lunch. Powered on and working perfectly again. Not sure what I did, but there are so many settings in the bios that I must have pissed off the CPU or something corrupted the BIOS? The weird thing is I do not have anything in my bios that says it is Turbo Mode, or Turbo Boost. I think it is just enabled on these boards. CPU-Z shows that my chip has a 12-23 multi but the BIOS screen says NO, lol... So, I am at a loss as to why one person can enable a 23 multi and another with the same chip and a great overclocking board cannot. In fact, with this chip installed I think several options have greyed out, including the ability to see or select "Extreme OC" mode (which I do not see that anywhere in the BIOS). All I have is what is below in the camera pics

EDIT: I just want to make clear that I also tried the setting called "Turbo Power limit" both Enabled and Disabled and it did absolutely nothing what so ever in both the BIOS or Windows. lol


Edited by }SkOrPn--' - 7/12/14 at 3:03pm
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Thank god I didn't buy a rampage ... but my mate here did ... Jeez. @Razroid
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Sounds like a male cow's fecal matter tongue.gif to me. If AVX2 is so good.. why ain't any apps coded using AVX yet? Also if they can offer 1000gflops which smells like horse manure tongue.gif

Impossible, this being intel smile.gif Skylake-E arch is just an upgraded Skylake. Also they are going back in cores because servers do best with moar cores. Haswell-E has 16-cores thumb.gif

Not trying to rain down on your parade but that's what people have been saying from Westmere to Sandy-E because in reality it's only 10% IPC difference if not counting the increased base clock speed.

My mate's haswell is only 15% IPC faster ... clock to clock

If you are in to BOINC Prime grid, AVX is a huge improvement in time and points.
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Cores are for geeks what brains are for zombies... more is better biggrin.gif

**Edit**
Now you're starting to get annoyed with the jokes of the french man tongue.gif
Edited by EvilMonk - 7/12/14 at 4:43pm
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If you are in to BOINC Prime grid, AVX is a huge improvement in time and points.
And what does BOINC do in the real world? Does it er, I don't know, help you render?
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FIXED! woot, lol...

I have a CLR CMOS button on the back which cuts all power from the BIOS to the Battery, so on this board removing battery is never needed. Yeah, for the heck of it I held down the button for 30 seconds (hard reset which is what I always do anyway), then I plug the PSU back up, flip the switch, powered on and entered into BIOS 2, and then reflashed BIOS 1 (just in case). Removed power again and did a clr cmos, and let it sit while getting lunch. Powered on and working perfectly again. Not sure what I did, but there are so many settings in the bios that I must have pissed off the CPU or something corrupted the BIOS? The weird thing is I do not have anything in my bios that says it is Turbo Mode, or Turbo Boost. I think it is just enabled on these boards. CPU-Z shows that my chip has a 12-23 multi but the BIOS screen says NO, lol... So, I am at a loss as to why one person can enable a 23 multi and another with the same chip and a great overclocking board cannot. In fact, with this chip installed I think several options have greyed out, including the ability to see or select "Extreme OC" mode (which I do not see that anywhere in the BIOS). All I have is what is below in the camera pics

EDIT: I just want to make clear that I also tried the setting called "Turbo Power limit" both Enabled and Disabled and it did absolutely nothing what so ever in both the BIOS or Windows. lol Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Glad you got it fixed. I think the last multiplier is for single threading only. My X5670 says 12-25 but I can only set 24 in the BIOS. I have seen it jump up to 25 occasionally when I'm running CPU-Z and not doing much else, but for the most part it stays at 24.
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Until Intel officially announces these Skylake chips and their final spec sheets, and people stop assuming what will and won't happen, and start testing, I think much of the hype could be manure and go either way. However, from 2011 to 2014 they went from 87 Gflops advertised for Westmere to 500 Gflops advertised for Haswell, so to not think they can't at least double that spec (at least on paper) in a measly two or three years is not feasible. I think Skylake-S for mainstream PC's will be in the 700-800 Gflop range, and the enthusiast market (and server markets) will have a 1000 OR MORE Gflop chip by 2017. But the fact is you have to select an upgrade path sooner or later, it is what everyone does once they get tired of their current machines. I've selected to wait until Skylake-E, just like the OP, this is my choice like many here at OCN has decided to do as well. Intel claimed Westmere would do 87 Gflops before it was released, and guess what happened, it can do 87+ Gflops easily as Kana Maru (mine is doing 75 with a simple OC) has proven along with tens of thousands of other Westmere owners around the world. Each time they release something it may only be 10% or 15% gains from their last platform refresh, but the fact remains that each platform gain is added over and over again. 10% + 15% + 10% + 15% and so on and so forth. By the time Skylake-E hits my TJ07, I will have a computer ten times faster over my 1366. I do not even care if its less power (or more) or less cores, or less heat or more, so long each core is 5-10 times faster then each of my x5650 cores, that is perfectly fine with me, lol... at any mhz
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Glad you got it fixed. I think the last multiplier is for single threading only. My X5670 says 12-25 but I can only set 24 in the BIOS. I have seen it jump up to 25 occasionally when I'm running CPU-Z and not doing much else, but for the most part it stays at 24.
Yeah I was hoping it was going to do some jumping up as well, lol. But with IBT and then P95, nothing happened, it just stayed at 22. I probably need a specific combination of settings set to get it to work, OR my custom BIOS is not optimized for this chip. It is a internal release that never exited the beta stage and was given to the R3E Owners Thread users at another popular forum. I never did see what turning off HT would do. However, I may come to realize I do not need 12 threads and play around again this time with HT off. Hmmm interesting thought actually, lol...
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The frenchie say more cores is better biggrin.gif

**Edit**
I never had the chance to read on BOINC before but I just did now... If I get it right its more of a general purpose science folding@home right? the projects it runs are general science oriented (physics, biology, mathematics, chemistry, climatology, medecine, etc...) instead of alzheimer, leukemia(which is blood cancer and I started to fold for when my father got his first in 2004), general cancer, or other terminal diseases like folding@home is)
Edited by EvilMonk - 7/12/14 at 6:22pm
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