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Poll Results: How many years have you owned your X58 - Tylersburg platofrm?

 
  • 9% (42)
    More than 1 year
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    More than 2 years
  • 8% (38)
    More than 3 years
  • 11% (50)
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  • 25% (110)
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  • 38% (167)
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post #11481 of 11896
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Originally Posted by xenkw0n View Post

So there's no detrimental long-term effects if I run the memory at 2100mhz?
What made you think transistors can destroy themselves by running too fast ?
That's not how this goes - Voltage is the primary killer and Temperature is secondary (combination of both is deadly).
Frequency alone will make them unstable, but it cannot "kill" or damage them in any way (again, at least by itself).
Edited by agentx007 - 4/10/17 at 1:17pm
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post #11482 of 11896
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You need faster Uncore (if RAM is already at it's limit).
Try 3x4GB (if you have 4x4GB right now), it should ease IMC a bit, and make it more stable.

Yes, I have 2 identical dual channel kits, 4x4GB
Do you think using 3x4GB will grant me more stability and less vcore for 4.6?
post #11483 of 11896
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Originally Posted by biZuil View Post

You think PCI-E 103 is dangerous? I've been running it like that for a few weeks. I definitely wont go past 103. Ive tried upping the Uncore frequency, but it wants more than 1.31v on the QPI/VTT and i dont think im willing to give it more than that for long term. unless it gives me a significant uplift in perf.
On another note, do any of you guys have cinebench single thread score with 4.6ghz, i want to see if my 132 points is normal if im lagging behind there aswell :B

I know messing with the PCIe Frequency can screw up different things on the machine. Every rig is different, but I'm just saying be careful when increasing it. Things start acting weird after a certain number. That number varies rig to rig. I've learned my lesson lol. Increasing the Uncore frequency and voltage will definitely heat things up and add more stress. I suppose you are talking about Cinebench R15 right? If so I only have my 4.8Ghz single core score not 4.6Ghz.

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I forgot to include them in my screenshot:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Ambient temp is 20-21C, also the cpu is liquid cooled (custom loop with 280mm rad, 4 fans push-pull).
You're right, 1.47 is really high for 4.6 but seems like my cpu cannot run more than 4.53 with max spec voltage. Also, I've stress tested it with IBT (30 pass very high) with static voltage at 1.47, temps went up to 83C, no bsod; then I switched to offset and C-states on to keep low voltages most of the time. I'm gonna test the system right now in a gaming session, we'll see if I will get any bsod

30 passes are great, but means nothing. I was able to pass IBT with flying colors, but still had issues a week later. You'll know for sure after using the settings for awhile. To ensure you have a stable rig you really should run something like Prime95 for a certain amount of hours. Most people don't want to do this since it take awhile to get results and they want to use their rigs. I suggest overnight hours. There are different test. Prime95 isn't the only test.....there are plenty of others. You can increase more settings, but your heat output will increase. You ambient should be enough to keep things low.
    
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Yes, I have 2 identical dual channel kits, 4x4GB
Do you think using 3x4GB will grant me more stability and less vcore for 4.6?
And triple channel - YES.

PS. If you have Dual Channel with 4 sticks, you are doing it wrong biggrin.gif

I recommend comparing results from AIDA64 Cache&Memory benchmark to see what's faster.
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Ok, I'm populating A1-A2 and B1-B2, I know the manual says something different but I wanted to force dual channel with 4 sticks. Tomorrow I will try to populate DIMMs as per manual with 4 sticks, want to see if I can get any improvement, then I'll try only 3 sticks

Thank you!!
post #11486 of 11896
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Why would you need to OC PCI-e bus on X58 ?
PCI-e is decoupled from rest of the platform (as in - it has seperate clock gen.).
Just give NB a 1,25-1,3V and it should be good on high BCLK (not that 200MHz is THAT much).

I had clocked it up when i was on my pursuit for stable 4.8ghz. I didnt cause any problems and gave me slightly faster speeds for my SSD reads and writes so i thought wth if its not causing any problems and its faster, i'll leave it there.

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I suppose you are talking about Cinebench R15 right? If so I only have my 4.8Ghz single core score not 4.6Ghz.
Ye im talking about r15, still interesting in that 4.8ghz score aswell :b
post #11487 of 11896
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Originally Posted by agentx007 View Post

What made you think transistors can destroy themselves by running too fast ?
That's not how this goes - Voltage is the primary killer and Temperature is secondary (combination of both is deadly).
Frequency alone will make them unstable, but it cannot "kill" or damage them in any way (again, at least by itself).

I read comments while catching up in this thread that implied running your memory past 1800mhz starts to really stress the IMC on these systems and since most benefits on X58 are found with tighter timings, it was essentially pointless... So I just never tried to push past 1800mhz. The memory is rated for 2666mhz and 2800mhz (mix of two kits).

I guess they could have been implying it stresses the IMC and is harder to find stability with tight timings but not that the stress is actually causing any damage...
Edited by xenkw0n - 4/10/17 at 1:31pm
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post #11488 of 11896
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Ok, I'm populating A1-A2 and B1-B2, I know the manual says something different but I wanted to force dual channel with 4 sticks. Tomorrow I will try to populate DIMMs as per manual with 4 sticks, want to see if I can get any improvement, then I'll try only 3 sticks

Thank you!!

From personal experience the triple channel setup with 4 sticks can act strangely and gave me varying benchmark results. I would stick with either Dual (A1, A2, B1, B2) or just go with 3 of the 4 sticks (A1, B1, C1).
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post #11489 of 11896
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Ye im talking about r15, still interesting in that 4.8ghz score aswell :b

Ok. 4.8Ghz single core = 146cb. This is my results from 2014. I haven't really ran the benchmark since then. I ran a ton of benchmarks for my article on my blog. I have Cinebench R11.5 as well. I prefer 11.5 since it's been around for awhile and aged well. It's easier to compare older and newer CPUs. I wish reviewers would use both 11.5 and R15. R10 wouldn't be to bad either, but I personally know of the pain of running all of those benchmarks. Especially when it comes to gaming benchmarks.
    
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Almost 5 hours gaming, no BSOD, max vcore 1.456. Tomorrow I will try some new ram config and see if I can drop a bit of voltage
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