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post #12861 of 13059
Well, now i have to find that last little tidbit that separates the system from pseudo-stable to true stable. Just had it soft-lock after about 4 hours of OCCT Large.

Settings so far:
200x21=4.2ghz
Uncore and DRAM are running at 3200mhz/1600mhz respectively
PCI-E has been bumped 1mhz to 101. It did seem to help
CPU and IOH both have a 150ps clock skew added to them, it definitely helped.
LLC is set to Level 2.
Bios Vcore is set to 1.3875, gets 1.376v in windows under full load.
QPI/VTT is set t0 1.3v
CPU PLL is set to 1.5v
QPI PLL is set to 1.14v
IOH core is set to 1.16v
DRAM voltage is set to 1.6v to eliminate any possible instability from the ram.
Everything else is auto.

Board is a X58A-UD3R. Suggestions?

Edit: minor voltage tweaks dont seem to help. I still occasionally get either a bsod complaining about lack of vcore (0x101 or 0x124) or a soft-lock. Would using a different combo of bclock and multipliers help?
Edited by Cyrious - 11/15/17 at 2:59am
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do not use llc level 2. level 1 gives me the best results with my X58A-OC. the vdroop is low enough, level 2 raises the vcore under load what mostly causes more problems.

u should try other uncore deviders, 2:1 is often not the best option in terms of voltage needs, best fit for my rigs was alyways 2+1:1 or 1,8 but its some kind of try and error.

and you should disable spectrum stuff. is your board able to adjust the amplitudes?
post #12863 of 13059
From my own experience, Take your uncore to 1.5x the ram instead of 2x so that its 2400mhz. Lower the qpi vtt to around 1.2 and lower the cpu pll further to 1.3v. match the qpi pll and ioh vcore voltages. This usually helps my cpu stabilize when im pushing clocks.
post #12864 of 13059
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do not use llc level 2. level 1 gives me the best results with my X58A-OC. the vdroop is low enough, level 2 raises the vcore under load what mostly causes more problems.

u should try other uncore deviders, 2:1 is often not the best option in terms of voltage needs, best fit for my rigs was alyways 2+1:1 or 1,8 but its some kind of try and error.

and you should disable spectrum stuff. is your board able to adjust the amplitudes?
Closest thing I see to adjust the amplitudes is CPU Clock Drive and PCI-E Clock Drive
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Originally Posted by biZuil View Post

From my own experience, Take your uncore to 1.5x the ram instead of 2x so that its 2400mhz. Lower the qpi vtt to around 1.2 and lower the cpu pll further to 1.3v. match the qpi pll and ioh vcore voltages. This usually helps my cpu stabilize when im pushing clocks.

I'm gonna try this along with the Vdroop suggestion above.

EDIT: Well, it worked. 8 1/2 hours into OCCT Large and its still going strong. There was however a performance regression from slowing down the uncore. I'm going to have to get a handle on that.
EDIT 2: Apparently 200mhz Bclock is something this system doesn't like when pushing the clocks. 200x22 would instantly fail under significant load whereas 191x23 would at least make it for a couple of seconds before quitting. I'm going to see what can be done to get 4.4ghz stable.
EDIT 3: Alright, abandoning 4.4 for now, I dont have the cooling necessary to handle it and the voltages are starting to get iffy. 4.3 though looks promising.
EDIT 4: Yeah, 4.4 is out, I apparently need a ton of volts to get it. 196x22 (4312mhz) however is working quite well at 1.424v.
EDIT 5: 4.3 on this chip is out as well. I can get it stable, but the H50 is insufficient to cool it. I may end up switching back to the X5650 and trying that, as I've gotten it stable enough to do a pass through Cinebench.
EDIT 6: 4.2 is pretty stable though, so I'm currently going through the process of kicking up the uncore clocks again until instability or heat make it impossible to go further. Gotta keep reminding myself that uncore is not free.
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I ended up tracking down the 1D microcode from 2015, although after doing all this I've found that there's a good bit of information on this hidden deep in the X58 Xeon threads on here. I also tracked down the most up to date microcodes according to MCE for the rest of the 1366 CPUIDs I could find by searching through like at least 30-40 bios. From what I can tell 1D is only a security update but they may have been fixing things up to 2013 with 1A. Very few bios had newer than 2008 microcode revisions for the lower end i7's which is disappointing since those were the most common 1366 cpus.

I used MCE and CBROM195 on the F6 bios for my GA-X58A-UD5, the first time I copied it with CBROM it corrupted. Intelmicrocodelist reported it perfectly fine but MCE's list function reported it as having an error. I would probably run your patched bios through MCE, CBROM \D and IntelMicrocodeList to make sure everything looks okay first. This thread is also invaluable https://www.win-raid.com/t2811f16-Guide-How-to-update-CPU-microcodes-NCPUCODE-BIN-CPUCODE-BIN-on-a-non-UEFI-Award-Phoenix-BIOS.html



1366CPUMicrocode 147k .zip file


Cheers for this but I cannot get it to work. I can insert the micro code but the bios will never flash. MCE reports all the latest microcode but when I go to flash the bios I get a error. If I download the latest bios for my motherboard it flashes fine but as soon as I update the microcode it will not flash. I have a Gigabyte X58A-UD7 rev 1 and I am using a X5660.
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post #12866 of 13059
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Cheers for this but I cannot get it to work. I can insert the micro code but the bios will never flash. MCE reports all the latest microcode but when I go to flash the bios I get a error. If I download the latest bios for my motherboard it flashes fine but as soon as I update the microcode it will not flash. I have a Gigabyte X58A-UD7 rev 1 and I am using a X5660.

I ran this on my F6 bios which was the most up to date non-beta/not 2mb bios for my rev.1 UD5. I spent like 2-3 days off and on trying to get Windows To Go/WinToUSB working with Windows 7 so I could play with some of the newer 2mb beta bios versions. Ended up just installing it to one of my less used hard drives so I could use @bios to flash the larger bios versions since that's the only way gigabyte supports that. For some reason every time I changed the microcode it would corrupt and refuse to post, this also ended up with it reverting to the F1 backup bios which then doesn't post with a 6 core... Thankfully I still have my old i7 930 around.

I would highly suggest everyone here to update their backup bios with your best working bios version just in case anything ever happens.

I think CBROM just doesn't play nice with some bios versions depending on how the manufacturer has it setup, I tried going the hex edit route but I couldn't figure it out and lost interest.

I'm finding the F8 beta bios to be pretty unstable anyways and now I'm no longer able to use C states. Pushing in some more voltage that I never needed before doesn't seem to make it any more stable.
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I ran this on my F6 bios which was the most up to date non-beta/not 2mb bios for my rev.1 UD5. I spent like 2-3 days off and on trying to get Windows To Go/WinToUSB working with Windows 7 so I could play with some of the newer 2mb beta bios versions. Ended up just installing it to one of my less used hard drives so I could use @bios to flash the larger bios versions since that's the only way gigabyte supports that. For some reason every time I changed the microcode it would corrupt and refuse to post, this also ended up with it reverting to the F1 backup bios which then doesn't post with a 6 core... Thankfully I still have my old i7 930 around.

I would highly suggest everyone here to update their backup bios with your best working bios version just in case anything ever happens.

I think CBROM just doesn't play nice with some bios versions depending on how the manufacturer has it setup, I tried going the hex edit route but I couldn't figure it out and lost interest.

I'm finding the F8 beta bios to be pretty unstable anyways and now I'm no longer able to use C states. Pushing in some more voltage that I never needed before doesn't seem to make it any more stable.

Well unfortunately for me it would not flash through the bios so I used @bios and it corrupted my bios and now it starts but all I get is a black screen. How do you boot to the backup bios? I tried different ways on the internet but none would work but that may be because I have a Xeon X5660.
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Well unfortunately for me it would not flash through the bios so I used @bios and it corrupted my bios and now it starts but all I get is a black screen. How do you boot to the backup bios? I tried different ways on the internet but none would work but that may be because I have a Xeon X5660.

Yeah so you just did exactly what I did and said people shouldn't do. You're going to need a compatible CPU to get it to restore the backup bios since you also didn't listen to my suggestion to update your backup bios in case something like this happened. Luckily i7 920 Xeons are only $5 shipped on ebay now and it happens to be the same seller I bought my X5660 from who was pretty quick to ship. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5550-2-66GHz-8MB-6-4GT-s-SLBF5-CPU-Server-Processor/291655312723

Looking as Gigabyte's website, the latest 2mb beta bioses are F8M and F9A. Neither of this larger style bios worked for me whenever I tried to flash them and corrupted when I used @bios. Unless you find your setup to be more stable under them or you need a feature which they don't support(my 4TB HDD works just fine on UD5's F6) I would probably just stick to the older QFlash compatible versions for simplicity.

As far as getting the bios to restore and flash itself over the main bios. What seemed to work for me was having the computer off, turning it on with the power button but not releasing it and letting it power down again. After turning it back on and letting it sit around after 2 mins or so it would just boot up into the backup bios, post and then after it passes the first screen it would flash over the main bios with the backup bios version.

After you get it all working again you should definitely update your backup bios by pressing or holding Alt+F12 repeatedly during the post screen until it feels like updating it. Although the largest reason to do this was really to not require putting in a different cpu so that the backup bios can function.
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Yeah so you just did exactly what I did and said people shouldn't do. You're going to need a compatible CPU to get it to restore the backup bios since you also didn't listen to my suggestion to update your backup bios in case something like this happened. Luckily i7 920 Xeons are only $5 shipped on ebay now and it happens to be the same seller I bought my X5660 from who was pretty quick to ship. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5550-2-66GHz-8MB-6-4GT-s-SLBF5-CPU-Server-Processor/291655312723

Looking as Gigabyte's website, the latest 2mb beta bioses are F8M and F9A. Neither of this larger style bios worked for me whenever I tried to flash them and corrupted when I used @bios. Unless you find your setup to be more stable under them or you need a feature which they don't support(my 4TB HDD works just fine on UD5's F6) I would probably just stick to the older QFlash compatible versions for simplicity.

As far as getting the bios to restore and flash itself over the main bios. What seemed to work for me was having the computer off, turning it on with the power button but not releasing it and letting it power down again. After turning it back on and letting it sit around after 2 mins or so it would just boot up into the backup bios, post and then after it passes the first screen it would flash over the main bios with the backup bios version.

After you get it all working again you should definitely update your backup bios by pressing or holding Alt+F12 repeatedly during the post screen until it feels like updating it. Although the largest reason to do this was really to not require putting in a different cpu so that the backup bios can function.

Thanks for your help. I will pick up a 920 so since my chip does not work with the older bios.
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Can i join the club ?

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