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Poll Results: How many years have you owned your X58 - Tylersburg platofrm?

 
  • 9% (44)
    More than 1 year
  • 5% (23)
    More than 2 years
  • 8% (40)
    More than 3 years
  • 11% (51)
    More than 4 years
  • 24% (112)
    More than 5 years
  • 40% (186)
    More than 6 years
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post #4821 of 12464
Been running it at my X5675 at 4.15 GHZ (25X166) and memory at 1660. Pretty stable with an occasional blue screen (need a bit more vcore as ambient temps are getting hotter with the warmer weather). My CPU temps are pretty bad. When running prime 2 f the cores (1 & 3) are off the chart (95+ degrees). Removed HS and applied a better thermal compound and reseated. Temps actually got worse by a degree or 2. Noticed a small nick on the metal heat spreader. Could this cause the crazy temps. Would filling/sanding the heat spreader help. I am half tempted to delid he CPU and see if that helps. Any of you have similar problems?
post #4822 of 12464
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Originally Posted by Kana-Maru View Post

I've seen some people dropping to X58 because of the much cheaper prices.The other reason is that they could hit 4Ghz -4.4Ghz rather easily for the most part. Now that the Xeons are widely known the prices aren't any better. People started to price gouge on a lot of X58 MBs & X58+RAM combos. My review was mostly targeting users that were still using the X58 platform or had one available. I wouldn't advise anyone post X58 or started a new Rig to start with X58 either. It's not the worst choice, but far from the best choice if you want a new rig. Personally I'm still loving the age old platform. I'm personally waiting for Skylake-E, but even that seems like it might be awhile. The price per performance will matter as well when it's time for me to upgrade.


In the last 12 months I have gone from amd phenom II x6 @4ghz to a sandy bridge i72600k@4.4ghz back "down" to this x5660k @4.3ghz.

The intel chips definitely feel snappier than the phenom but tbh I can't really tell the difference between the sandy bridge and the Xeon.

Overclocked my x5660 runs handbrake, devede and convertx like a champ (better than the 2600k@4.4) which is good because I use them a lot. Gaming and other stuff I see no difference between this and the sandy bridge setup.

I was fortunate with the sandy setup as the cpu socket had a few bent pins so I got it dirt cheap and managed to sort them. After testing for a month all was good and I made £100 out of the deal.

I would have gone back to an AMD setup until I saw this thread so thanks Kana thumb.gif
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I just don't trust buying a secondhand X58 board unless it's through a forum. If an X58 user is bundling their board, processor and RAM, it's probably not a bad buy. The platform is certainly capable and will be for another five years.

Yup it's a gamble. I have both an ex58-ud3r which I have tested fully and it's rock solid with my xeon and a ex58-ud5 which I am testing at the moment. Unfortunately the ud5 is not as solid at the same clocks (getting random reboots when browisng and some weird usb issues with ext hard drives although stress testing passes with flying colors) so the used market can be a bit hit or miss. But both boards were comparatively cheap.

When you consider you can pick up a xeon hex core with hyper threading and x58 board for the cost of a haswell 4770k alone and in some productivity apps it competes with stock devils canyon chips which is really quite a feat when you look at the timeline it has to be the best used buy out there.

For me though the xeon x58 combo has proved to be great on a budget and I think that is the key here.....

Thanks to you all as this has been a great ride for me so far. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Bad Bimr View Post

Been running it at my X5675 at 4.15 GHZ (25X166) and memory at 1660. Pretty stable with an occasional blue screen (need a bit more vcore as ambient temps are getting hotter with the warmer weather). My CPU temps are pretty bad. When running prime 2 f the cores (1 & 3) are off the chart (95+ degrees). Removed HS and applied a better thermal compound and reseated. Temps actually got worse by a degree or 2. Noticed a small nick on the metal heat spreader. Could this cause the crazy temps. Would filling/sanding the heat spreader help. I am half tempted to delid he CPU and see if that helps. Any of you have similar problems?

95+ degrees is way too hot dude. You need to dial that back somehow. What are your specs let us have a look at your board, ram and voltages from your bios.
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Been running it at my X5675 at 4.15 GHZ (25X166) and memory at 1660. Pretty stable with an occasional blue screen (need a bit more vcore as ambient temps are getting hotter with the warmer weather). My CPU temps are pretty bad. When running prime 2 f the cores (1 & 3) are off the chart (95+ degrees). Removed HS and applied a better thermal compound and reseated. Temps actually got worse by a degree or 2. Noticed a small nick on the metal heat spreader. Could this cause the crazy temps. Would filling/sanding the heat spreader help. I am half tempted to delid he CPU and see if that helps. Any of you have similar problems?

Sounds like you may have a defective CPU. The heat should be nowhere near 95. Even with an air cooler. The CPU has damage and that's enough to make me get another. What Vcore settings are you running? What CPU cooler are you using? Even on a hot day I keep my ambient temps cool.



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In the last 12 months I have gone from amd phenom II x6 @4ghz to a sandy bridge i72600k@4.4ghz back "down" to this x5660k @4.3ghz.

The intel chips definitely feel snappier than the phenom but tbh I can't really tell the difference between the sandy bridge and the Xeon.

Gaming and other stuff I see no difference between this and the sandy bridge setup.

Of course you won't see any difference in gaming between the X5660\Xeon and the i7-2600K. The I7-2600K eliminates the northbridge complete and have the PCI lanes connected directly to the CPU. The X58 doesn't use the newer architecture found in Gen 2 and up. If you come from a i7-9xx 1st Gen X58 Quad Core you will see a big difference in gaming. At least I did. I went from a horrible microstuttery - ***ps - what's happening 1080p Crysis 3 24fps - 35fps. Frametimes were horrible! With the Xeon the I receive a constant and very respectable 53fps Average, 136fps Max and 19ms Frame Time. The experience was much more enjoyable. Newer architectures didn't have this problem. The X58 takes care of everything on the platform including PCI lanes. So the fact that you see no difference in gaming is great specool.gif

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I would have gone back to an AMD setup until I saw this thread so thanks Kana

thumb.gif No problem at all man. I'm glad to have helped so many people across the web. I plan to continue posting updated gaming info. Batman:AK is on my radar. I guess I could get The Witcher III, but these games aren't cheap. $59.99 a pop makes it hard for me to test all of the games.
    
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I disagree. In some cases X58 beat X79 believe it not. I was surprised myself. In other cases the performance is less than 1% depending on the test. I know what I'm doing when I overclock and I try to get the most out of my PC without "breaking" it or pumping to much voltage into specific components.The X79 had much higher clocked RAM and I was running 1600Mhz - 1675Mhz depending on my CPU speed and benchmark. I compared the X58 vs X79 clock for clock. The clock speed was pretty much 4.8Ghz. I got a lot of hate on the HWBOT website from people complaining about my score from time to time.

The X58 is still a contender period. Results don't lie, especially when I'm running more than 10-15+ benchmarks, including gaming benchmarks. The average performance of spending approx. $1200-$2000 would have been around 9% if I would had built my X79 that I was planning. Plus I would had to have been able to hit 4.8Ghz. I use my PC for a lot of things that includes: gaming, streaming. recording streams while streaming, high-end music programs and banks, down mixing, rendering HQ audio video editing, video rendering and\or compression, programming, game development and regular use like browsing the web and word processing etc. Usually I'm doing a lot of task at the same time.
Exactly. That's the amazing part. It did actually rival newer tech 6 now nearly 7 years after it's released. That shows you how money has been saved by X58 users and how Intel marketing gets plenty of people to upgrade every other year. I never felt the need to upgrade since my platform has been able to perform. The only thing I need want now is a $50 SATA III PCI-E card that will run x4. I'm sure gaming will still be fine. RAID 0 running SATA II has been perfectly fine for all of my task including data backup.

No. Sorry but the CPU isnt as good. Its still a viable option but its not even as good as x79. Believe what you want.
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It sounds like you went from on quad core to another quad core so you probably didn't upgrade much, if at all. I was considering ditching my i7-930 X58 setup for an i7-4790K Z97 setup before finding Kana-Maru's review. The swap from the i7-930 might have been worth it, but grabbing a Xeon made more financial sense. Now I won't have to upgrade for another two or three generations (at least) unless PCI-e 2.0 becomes a bottleneck between now and then. I personally don't see this happening.

With that said, a Xeon X58 system isn't the best option for everyone. I would not advise anyone starting from scratch to scrounge up the parts. You'd be better off going Z97 or X99.

Went from hex to quad and still saw much improvement. Newer generations are always better... at least a little bit.
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I highly doubt you saw "much improvement" going from a hexacore to a quad core, even if there was a slight improvement in IPC.
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I highly doubt you saw "much improvement" going from a hexacore to a quad core, even if there was a slight improvement in IPC.

Hex 32nm Westmere sorta like 1.5 gen i7 to quad 22nm Ivy Bridge 3rd gen i7. That's two generations equal to something like 30% IPC gain im not exactly sure. Still i saw big improvements in most cases. Im not saying x58 is bad its just not the best anymore.
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Hex 32nm Westmere sorta like 1.5 gen i7 to quad 22nm Ivy Bridge 3rd gen i7. That's two generations equal to something like 30% IPC gain im not exactly sure. Still i saw big improvements in most cases. Im not saying x58 is bad its just not the best anymore.
Who said it was the best?
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Who said it was the best?

Lol. Chess I think Ambient is kind of missing the point of this thread which was to point out that with the recent availablity of cheap xeon hex cores on the market that the x58 platform is still a durable contender in 2015. Whether you are just upgrading your old x58 setup or buying a used setup like I did.

Of course new tech is faster - what would be the point otherwise.

If we compare my build to his for an example:

CB750robs rig:
x5660 £70
ex58-ud5 £60
Ram £70
Total £200

Ambientblue's rig:

i7 5820K £305 (scan)
MSI X99S SLI Krait Edition £189.99 (ebuyer)
G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 2x4GB £70 (approx value as cant find 2x4gb so have halved price of 16gb kit)
Total £564.99

Some benchmarks using cpc's benchmarking suite:

My Rig:

Image editing: 1573 pts
Video Encoding: 3932 pts
Multitasking: 1518 pts
Overall score: 2341 pts




Results from bit-techs review of the i7-5820k (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2014/09/03/intel-core-i7-5930k-and-core-i7-5820k-revie/5):
Overclocked to 4.3ghz:

Image Editing: 2181 pts
Video encoding: 4849 pts
Multitasking: 1789 pts
Overall: 2939 pts

Ambients setup has cost more than two and a half times more than mine so of course I would expect it to be better. It also has more modern features and support for new instruction sets but is it two and a half times better than mine.......?

BTW no disrespect is meant here. But I have a warm fuzzy feeling thumb.gif
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Welcome guys, im setting my new build and im seeking for the best price/performance and i found that xeon 5650 is pretty good and i can get him really cheap even with guaranty but there arent much motherboards avaliable so i wanted to ask, will msi x58 platinum or intel dx58so support this one ? sorry for englando
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