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Poll Results: How many years have you owned your X58 - Tylersburg platofrm?

 
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post #6931 of 13087
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We discussed this on the EVGA forums under the X58 section and they can't make the bios into a UEFI bios for PCIe drives to boot. Apparently there isn't enough storage to write the info.
I'm pretty sure Kana said he uses a Kingston Predator as a system/boot drive on his Sabertooth x58 though.

I was under the impression that uefi bios only enter into it if you wanted to use one of those new fangled Nvme ssds.

But hey I'll soon find out if I'm wrong tongue.gif
post #6932 of 13087
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We discussed this on the EVGA forums under the X58 section and they can't make the bios into a UEFI bios for PCIe drives to boot. Apparently there isn't enough storage to write the info.

That must suck for EVGA users then. My Rampage III boots a RevoDrive X2 off the PCIe slot just fine. The only problem I had was all other sata devices had to be removed for it to show up in the BIOS, lol which was no problem as everything can be stored on the Home Server over Gigabit Ethernet. My Father has been booting his RevoDrive since 2011 on his x58 no problems either. Oh and we tried the SM941 and my Rampage x58 does not see it what so ever, go figure. I went back to SATA a long time ago myself, using three C300's and three 850 Pro's in RAID0. I wouldn't mind trying the Predator though since its known to work on x58.

I wont go back to PCIe booting until I get either Skylake or Kaby Lake to replace this Rampage III.

P.S. UEFI is only needed for NVMe based SSD's because it is an entirely new and extra module that must coexist next to the AHCI module (UEFI drivers). Legacy BIOS in theory works just fine for PCIe SSD's based on AHCI, as AHCI is already built into every known BIOS for x58 and before. However, for the PCIe SSD to show up depends on when the BIOS was written and if consumer based PCIe SSD's existed during the time that the BIOS was being written. No reason to write in code for something that wasn't yet introduced to the normal consumer market. No extra space was needed in the BIOS to allow a BIOS to "see" PCIe storage devices based on AHCI. The extra code needed would have been minuscule at most.
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Oh and we tried the SM941 and my Rampage x58 does not see it what so ever, go figure.
Ack, that's got me a little bit concerned.

Oh well if worse comes to worse I'll send it back to Amazon and get a Predator instead.
post #6934 of 13087
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Ack, that's got me a little bit concerned.

Oh well if worse comes to worse I'll send it back to Amazon and get a Predator instead.
Don't give up right away. I didn't even try hard because it wasn't my drive to play with. I was only trying to kill a curiosity but had no time what so ever to test different settings. It was enough to convince me that my x58 just wasn't built to run properly with PCIe storage devices. However with Windows 10 and three 850 Pro's I am doing over the theoretical now at something like 750 MB/s, which is faster then the ICH10 has ever managed before.

Did you buy a 941 by chance? I have seen several others here have the same issue on their x58's, just not being seen in the bios boot drop down menu. Which is very sad because its no more then a single line of code, if that, to have the boot drop down list the PCIe device.

Let us know if your PCIe SSD works on your x58 please.

EDIT: I found this Amazon review of the HyperX Predator on a Rampage III and its interesting info. The BIOS "sometimes" see's it, LOL.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R24M7K1ZIC4BZU/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00V01C376
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Also I better mention this. The guys over at bios-mods are trying, or have succeeded (not sure) in getting full NVMe support on old BIOS's. Some are booting them just fine. Take a look at this thread for more info.

http://www.win-raid.com/t871f16-Guide-How-to-get-full-NVMe-support-for-Intel-Chipset-systems-from-Series-up-8.html
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post #6936 of 13087
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Did you buy a 941 by chance? I have seen several others here have the same issue on their x58's, just not being seen in the bios boot drop down menu. Which is very sad because its no more then a single line of code, if that, to have the boot drop down list the PCIe device.

Let us know if your PCIe SSD works on your x58 please.

It's a 951 (AHCI) going into a Sabertooth I picked up recently.
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It's a 951 going into a Sabertooth I picked up recently.
I think the 951 fixed all issues for legacy BIOS booting. Also not sure on this because all I have seen is peeps using them as extra storage, which is no problem at all. Let us know please as this is very interesting to me. My next SSD's are all going to be M.2 and or 3D X-point, lol, the latter of which has me drooling already.
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I'm pretty sure Kana said he uses a Kingston Predator as a system/boot drive on his Sabertooth x58 though.

I was under the impression that uefi bios only enter into it if you wanted to use one of those new fangled Nvme ssds.

But hey I'll soon find out if I'm wrong tongue.gif


Yeah I think there is one or two currently that will work but I'm not confident with the new ones. I was asking around about it because I was interested in an Intel 750 or something like that, and eventually Intel 3D Xpoint and apparently NVMe won't work ... don't take my word for it though.. Hope you get one working on your system!
     
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That must suck for EVGA users then. My Rampage III boots a RevoDrive X2 off the PCIe slot just fine. The only problem I had was all other sata devices had to be removed for it to show up in the BIOS, lol which was no problem as everything can be stored on the Home Server over Gigabit Ethernet. My Father has been booting his RevoDrive since 2011 on his x58 no problems either. Oh and we tried the SM941 and my Rampage x58 does not see it what so ever, go figure. I went back to SATA a long time ago myself, using three C300's and three 850 Pro's in RAID0. I wouldn't mind trying the Predator though since its known to work on x58.

I wont go back to PCIe booting until I get either Skylake or Kaby Lake to replace this Rampage III.

P.S. UEFI is only needed for NVMe based SSD's because it is an entirely new and extra module that must coexist next to the AHCI module (UEFI drivers). Legacy BIOS in theory works just fine for PCIe SSD's based on AHCI, as AHCI is already built into every known BIOS for x58 and before. However, for the PCIe SSD to show up depends on when the BIOS was written and if consumer based PCIe SSD's existed during the time that the BIOS was being written. No reason to write in code for something that wasn't yet introduced to the normal consumer market. No extra space was needed in the BIOS to allow a BIOS to "see" PCIe storage devices based on AHCI. The extra code needed would have been minuscule at most.

Yeah, it sucks. And you're right it was NVMe based. ...
     
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Yeah, it sucks. And you're right it was NVMe based. ...
It would be sweet though if they get NVMe working for older legacy BIOS's but I doubt we will see any manufacturers putting in any effort towards that goal. They want us to buy new hardware to get all these newer features. Case in point, we have to upgrade to Kaby Lake and Intels Z200 chipset just to experience Intel's upcoming Optane (based on 3D X-Point tech), which I find to be kinda a bit wrong. They have been working on 3D X-point tech since 2012, so surely they could have had Skylake capable of working with it. Its all about having something that you, me and joe consumer wants "next year". I was dead set on buying into Skylake but now Optane just looks too damn good, so now I wait some more so I can have a platform that will support Optane. I'm a little bit peeved by that....

Anyway yeah some really good AHCI based PCIe SSD's work just fine on x58 and for what ever reason some don't at all, yet should.
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