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post #7031 of 12444
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Originally Posted by Kana-Maru View Post

Yes it matters. So you are trying to run 1866Mhz? You need to get those temps below 75 for starters. 80c is pretty much the max and pretty hot.

Increase your QPI\VTT 1.32v if you are trying to run 1866Mhz DRAM voltage 1.5v.

If that isn't stable then increase your DRAM voltage to 1.65v [max] for testing purposes. Of course the timings will be 9-10-9-28-2N for 1866Mhz.

I set the latency to the 9-10-9-28-2N and it running slower than 1866 since the blck is 182 and the memory multiplier is 8.
what I meant is that it doesnt matter what speed the memory run at as long as is not over 1866 but that would put the blck to 234 which I probably wont do. That would be the cpu to 5.1Ghz

I am going to get a new cooler since I am having ram clearance problem with my current cooler. My cooler should be push/pull but now just pull.
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According to this, Kana-Maru said

If 1.2v for both doesn't do the trick then set it back to previous volts.
     
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I set the latency to the 9-10-9-28-2N and it running slower than 1866 since the blck is 182 and the memory multiplier is 8.
what I meant is that it doesnt matter what speed the memory run at as long as is not over 1866 but that would put the blck to 234 which I probably wont do. That would be the cpu to 5.1Ghz

I am going to get a new cooler since I am having ram clearance problem with my current cooler. My cooler should be push/pull but now just pull.

Just give\tell me the DRAM Frequency please so I can help you better. I see what you are trying to do now. You don't have to worry about 5 nothing since you are in the 80s at 4Ghz. Be patient.
    
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Just give\tell me the DRAM Frequency please so I can help you better. I see what you are trying to do now. You don't have to worry about 5 nothing since you are in the 80s at 4Ghz. Be patient.
Right now, is running at 1456. Still running prime. Just over 3 hours now. So if it doesnt crash by tomorrow then I am going to leave the setting for now until I get a new cooler.
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You also want to test using IBT, & Real Bench by Asus.
     
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What levels did you decide to go with and good luck thumb.gif
    
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post #7037 of 12444
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What levels did you decide to go with and good luck thumb.gif
Thank you for your help

bclk: 182
Multiplier:22
vcore: 1.2750
QPI/Vtt: 1.235
QPI/PLL: 1.8
IOH: Auto
vdimm: 1.5

CPU @ 4Ghz
Memory @ 1456Mhz
post #7038 of 12444
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My RAM is 3 sets of this. 1866Mhz.
I set the latency to the 9-10-9-28-2N. Since these are 1.5v, I set vdimm to 1.5v.

I already did a memtest so they are fine.
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Well you should make sure the system is stable before overclocking RAM or feeling the need to add voltage. Downclock your RAM to a setting that you know is stable with 9-9-9-24 2T [below 1.66v]. Test your system to ensure that it isn't RAM. This will ensure that it isn't your CPU or another setting in the BIOS that needs to be increased\decreased. If your CPU is fine then slowly start to increase your RAM frequency and test.

The RAM and uncore frequencies change with BCLK so to get good RAM timings I found it was easier to do it the other way around: set the cpu multi conservatively so you know the core voltage is definitely OK for the core to be stable and set the RAM multi conservatively so you know the RAM is OK too and first work out what VTT you are going to need for the BCLK and uncore clock you will end up at with your final target overclock.

You want to start by finding max BCLK with a low uncore clock and determine what VTT that requires. Then up the uncore multi and find the VTT you need to get your uncore stable at max BCLK at or above your target uncore frequency.

Once you have VTT for max BCLK at your target uncore frequency you can leave VTT fixed and up the RAM multi and work with BCLK and VDRAM and the RAM timings to find your max RAM frequency.

Start with loose RAM timings and find the VDRAM you need for the target RAM frequency.

At this point I found I needed 1.85V VDRAM to get my 48GB of RAM past memtest at over DDR3 2000 speed with an uncore clock over 4GHz and 208 BCLK. This is out of spec and the BIOS warns me it could kill my CPU. If you care about your CPU lasting indefinitely you should stick within the official limits which might mean reducing the RAM frequency.

At your target RAM frequency with uncore clock at or above target you can now work to tighten the RAM timings.

Run memtest at least past test 3 for a quick stability test and run as long as you have patience for once you think you have found the stable limit. An overnight run would give you good confidence that your RAM is stable before you proceed to the core.

Once you have done the above, you can leave VTT, VDRAM and the uncore multi alone while you overclock the core by upping the core multi, adjusting BCLK in the range less than or equal to the BCLK for your stable RAM test and increasing VCORE to get stability.

You'll be thermally limited and from this position you might want to reduce the uncore a couple of multis to get the temps down a bit if necessary to achieve your target core frequency but your BIOS may auto tighten your DRAM channel timings when you change the uncore clock multi which can cause instability so you have to watch out for that and set them back to the stable values manually. If you end up reducing the uncore a lot you may want to go back to the beginning with a lower uncore target and work back to this point with a lower VTT which will also help with core temps. You can't lower VTT here without going back to the beginning of the process though because it will impact RAM stability. Uncore can go as low as 1.5 times DRAM with Xeons.

After getting my 48GB RAM stable at 208 BCLK I ended up with 200 BCLK for my final overclock and I left VTT and VDRAM at the 208 BCLK settings so I know there is some headroom there.

Similarly with the core overclock I found VCORE for 4.8GHz and run that VCORE at 4.6GHz daily so I know there is some headroom there too.

I took so long to write this you are already done. Maybe you can try when your new cooler arrives.
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The RAM and uncore frequencies change with BCLK so to get good RAM timings I found it was easier to do it the other way around: set the cpu multi conservatively so you know the core voltage is definitely OK for the core to be stable and set the RAM multi conservatively so you know the RAM is OK too and first work out what VTT you are going to need for the BCLK and uncore clock you will end up at with your final target overclock.

You want to start by finding max BCLK with a low uncore clock and determine what VTT that requires. Then up the uncore multi and find the VTT you need to get your uncore stable at max BCLK at or above your target uncore frequency.

Once you have VTT for max BCLK at your target uncore frequency you can leave VTT fixed and up the RAM multi and work with BCLK and VDRAM and the RAM timings to find your max RAM frequency.

Start with loose RAM timings and find the VDRAM you need for the target RAM frequency.

At this point I found I needed 1.85V VDRAM to get my 48GB of RAM past memtest at over DDR3 2000 speed with an uncore clock over 4GHz and 208 BCLK. This is out of spec and the BIOS warns me it could kill my CPU. If you care about your CPU lasting indefinitely you should stick within the official limits which might mean reducing the RAM frequency.

At your target RAM frequency with uncore clock at or above target you can now work to tighten the RAM timings.

Run memtest at least past test 3 for a quick stability test and run as long as you have patience for once you think you have found the stable limit. An overnight run would give you good confidence that your RAM is stable before you proceed to the core.

Once you have done the above, you can leave VTT, VDRAM and the uncore multi alone while you overclock the core by upping the core multi, adjusting BCLK in the range less than or equal to the BCLK for your stable RAM test and increasing VCORE to get stability.

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After getting my 48GB RAM stable at 208 BCLK I ended up with 200 BCLK for my final overclock and I left VTT and VDRAM at the 208 BCLK settings so I know there is some headroom there.

Similarly with the core overclock I found VCORE for 4.8GHz and run that VCORE at 4.6GHz daily so I know there is some headroom there too.

I took so long to write this you are already done. Maybe you can try when your new cooler arrives.

Thank you for a great write up.
When I was overclocking my i7 930, my MB only like 8 for memory multiplier. I dont know why. So thats why I keep it at 8 to achieve stability.
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Thank you for a great write up.
When I was overclocking my i7 930, my MB only like 8 for memory multiplier. I dont know why. So thats why I keep it at 8 to achieve stability.

I also found that only the first few memory multipliers work with Xeons and my RII Gene even for the same target DRAM frequency so I found it necessary to get to 200 BCLK to get DDR3 2000.
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