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I got a great deal on a 6700K ($230), is it worth replacing my 4ghz X5650 with Skylake in terms of mixed usage (70% gaming, 30% solidworks)? My original plan was to hold out until Zen/Cannonlake and just stick new GPUs into this whenever needed.

Probably not, you might even see a bit worse performance in Solidworks. Run the benchmark and see how your x5650 compares with a 6700k.

You'd almost certainly see an improvement in desktop/browser use due to IPC improvements, but you probably won't see much difference in gaming.
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I got a great deal on a 6700K ($230), is it worth replacing my 4ghz X5650 with Skylake in terms of mixed usage (70% gaming, 30% solidworks)? My original plan was to hold out until Zen/Cannonlake and just stick new GPUs into this whenever needed.

Sounds like a good deal. Is it a brand new 6700K? The 6700K is an obvious choice for me if I was still using a Quad. The IPC increase is great just like Ivy. Unfortunately this doesn't normally copy over to the Hexa cores on newer platforms. Depending on your graphics card the 6700K "could" improve your gaming experience along with highly clocked RAM.

Since you are using Solidworks you'll probably want to wait since the extra cores does really help when it comes to certain programs. I know deals are hard to ignore, but you will have to make a choice on this one. Wait for AMD [Zen] and Intel next releases or go with the 6700K. If you need more cores then stick with what you have. Quad cores with high IPCs performance does get close, but the lack of cores might frustrate you when working in certain programs.
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Probably not, you might even see a bit worse performance in Solidworks. Run the benchmark and see how your x5650 compares with a 6700k.

You'd almost certainly see an improvement in desktop/browser use due to IPC improvements, but you probably won't see much difference in gaming.

^^^ this. Running the 6700k may yield better synthetic benchmark scores on a select type. The X5650 overclocked would very likely beat it, especially with HT on in multi threaded apps. You would likely not be able tell the difference, or maybe a tiny bit.

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... Unfortunately this doesn't normally copy over to the Hexa cores on newer platforms...

Sure it does, it's just that you need to clock the hexa cores to match the frequency of the quads.
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Sure it does, it's just that you need to clock the hexa cores to match the frequency of the quads.

I meant out of the box. Obviously you can overclock the Hexa to try to reach the Quad cores single core results, but once you have to remember that you can also overclock the quad cores. By the time the Hexa core gets close the quad takes off and leaves it in the dust. The newer Hexa cores [Haswell-E, Sandy=E, Ivy-E etc] are usually around 25%-35% SLOWER than the 6700K or the 4790K. I don't expect much from Broadwell-E either, but the prices should be impressive lol.
    
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I meant out of the box. Obviously you can overclock the Hexa to try to reach the Quad cores single core results, but once you have to remember that you can also overclock the quad cores. By the time the Hexa core gets close the quad takes off and leaves it in the dust. The newer Hexa cores [Haswell-E, Sandy=E, Ivy-E etc] are usually around 25%-35% SLOWER than the 6700K or the 4790K. I don't expect much from Broadwell-E either, but the prices should be impressive lol.

Sure, I'm talking clock to clock and comparing the same architecture. The hexa cores usually overclock just as well as or close to their quad counterparts at similar voltages given good enough cooling.
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Sure, I'm talking clock to clock and comparing the same architecture. The hexa cores usually overclock just as well as or close to their quad counterparts at similar voltages given good enough cooling.

Compare a overclocked 6700K to a overclocked Hexa core clock for clock and I'll put my money on the 6700K Quad.

I was talking about all of the Hexa cores that have released. Even if we go by the generation using the same architecture then it's still clear that the Quads out perform the Hexa cores in single core test by a decent margin.
    
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Compare a overclocked 6700K to a overclocked Hexa core clock for clock and I'll put my money on the 6700K Quad.

I was talking about all of the Hexa cores that have released. Even if we go by the generation using the same architecture then it's still clear that the Quads out perform the Hexa cores in single core test by a decent margin.

Well, it would be more fair to put a 6800k against a 6700k, at the same clocks they will yield very similar single threaded performance (I know Broadwell-e vs Skylake, Skylake may still have a slight advantage).

For example a 4930k at say 4.8ghz is going to have almost identical single threaded performance as a 3770k at 4.8ghz.

Quads do tend to take extreme clocks better, but reasonable 24/7 clocks tend to fall around the same speed depending how lucky you get at the silicon lottery.

Here's a spreadsheet with a few single threaded Cinebench results.
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So much talk lately about memory speeds etc having pretty high impact on fps so I wonder can I up my RAM:s to something better or will my x5670 or mobo not support it?

CPU: x5670
Mobo: Asus P6T SE
DDR: 6GB of 1333 DDR3

What is best memory I can get for this?

I have done some checking and I guess 1333 is max? But I think I have seen some people here talking and having more than that.

http://ark.intel.com/products/47920/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5670-12M-Cache-2_93-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI
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http://www.cnet.com/products/asus-p6t-se-motherboard-atx-lga1366-socket-x58/specs/
Says 1066 MHz, 1333 MHz, 1600 MHz, 1800 MHz, 2000 MHz

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Well, it would be more fair to put a 6800k against a 6700k, at the same clocks they will yield very similar single threaded performance.

The 6800k cheap and gimped and of course Intel will get away with it just like they did with the 5820K.

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Quads do tend to take extreme clocks better, but reasonable 24/7 clocks tend to fall around the same speed depending how lucky you get at the silicon lottery.

Quads tend to be faster out of the box based on single clock performance. That's my point. The 6700K getting very close to some hexa cores in multi core results.

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Here's a spreadsheet with a few single threaded Cinebench results.

For example a 4930k at say 4.8ghz is going to have almost identical single threaded performance as a 3770k at 4.8ghz.

That's using one single core test that loves RAM [R15 more than 11.5 depending on the platform] and 3770K is pretty old. The 4770K and 4790K would be more up to date Quads to use for comparison. The latest and greatest is the 6700K now. When you losing by around 15%-30% depending on the CPUs. Lets just say 20%. You aren't going to just make up that 20% when the other CPU is matching it clock for clock while overclocking.
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