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Poll Results: How many years have you owned your X58 - Tylersburg platofrm?

 
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post #8481 of 13109
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Originally Posted by Kana-Maru View Post

The 6800k cheap and gimped and of course Intel will get away with it just like they did with the 5820K.
No doubt, but still it is a valid comparison.
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Quads tend to be faster out of the box based on single clock performance. That's my point. The 6700K getting very close to some hexa cores in multi core results.
That doesn't really matter, the 4790k's and 5930k's overclock pretty similarly (4.3-4.7ghz at reasonable voltages) if you have enough cooling for the six core. The 4790k might actually get hotter unless it is delidded due poor quality IHS TIM.
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That's using one single core test that loves RAM [R15 more than 11.5 depending on the platform] and 3770K is pretty old. The 4770K and 4790K would be more up to date Quads to use for comparison. The latest and greatest is the 6700K now. When you losing by around 15%-30% depending on the CPUs. Lets just say 20%. You aren't going to just make up that 20% when the other CPU is matching it clock for clock while overclocking.
The comparison is still valid for the 4790k vs 5930k.
Cinebench does like memory speed, but not so much memory, so DDR3 vs DDR4 may offset the results a bit.

Either way, I don't think there is enough difference to between the six and quad core chips of the same generation to worry about single threaded performance if you overclock either one and have a good cooler.

Also, you have to remember, the 4790k turbos up to 4.4ghz while the 5930k maxes out at 3.7ghz. That means the 4790k will be about 20% faster in single threaded performance.
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Obviously when I said RAM I was talking about the timings+speed. Not throwing in 64GBs DDR3\DDR4 @1333Mhz to increase the score.

Out of the box the Quads are clocked higher and perform better @ stock. Overclocking them only makes them even more beastly. I personally prefer Hexa cores, but I can't deny the awesome single core performance from some of the Quads throughout the years. When it comes down to it I need more cores for my daily usage.

Turbo or no turbo, out of the box means out of the box. You can overclock to the sun, but I'm seeing Quads get 4.6Ghz - 4.8Ghz with reasonable voltages.

Also I could careless about a gimped CPU. I don't care if I could get 5Ghz out of it stable below 1.47v, it's still gimped at the end of the day.
    
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Probably not, you might even see a bit worse performance in Solidworks. Run the benchmark and see how your x5650 compares with a 6700k.

You'd almost certainly see an improvement in desktop/browser use due to IPC improvements, but you probably won't see much difference in gaming.

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Sounds like a good deal. Is it a brand new 6700K? The 6700K is an obvious choice for me if I was still using a Quad. The IPC increase is great just like Ivy. Unfortunately this doesn't normally copy over to the Hexa cores on newer platforms. Depending on your graphics card the 6700K "could" improve your gaming experience along with highly clocked RAM.

Since you are using Solidworks you'll probably want to wait since the extra cores does really help when it comes to certain programs. I know deals are hard to ignore, but you will have to make a choice on this one. Wait for AMD [Zen] and Intel next releases or go with the 6700K. If you need more cores then stick with what you have. Quad cores with high IPCs performance does get close, but the lack of cores might frustrate you when working in certain programs.

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^^^ this. Running the 6700k may yield better synthetic benchmark scores on a select type. The X5650 overclocked would very likely beat it, especially with HT on in multi threaded apps. You would likely not be able tell the difference, or maybe a tiny bit.

Not worth the money. board, chip, DDR4 will add up

Thanks for the advice, staying on X58 and throwing money at AMD/Nvidia sounds like the most logical thing to do. I think mobo/ram would run me around $250-300 + $230 from the cpu itself, which would put me equivalent to a GTX 1070 price wise. Probably a better investment (waiting on those RX480 benchmarks - hoping that delivers). I will run the Solidworks benchmark when I get home. I've been wanting to scratch that upgrade itch for a long time now, but I can wait for the upcoming releases. Fingers crossed Zen doesn't get delayed and delivers. The 6700K is brand new, but if I end up not using it, I will likely give it to a friend.
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Obviously when I said RAM I was talking about the timings+speed. Not throwing in 64GBs DDR3\DDR4 @1333Mhz to increase the score.

Out of the box the Quads are clocked higher and perform better @ stock. Overclocking them only makes them even more beastly. I personally prefer Hexa cores, but I can't deny the awesome single core performance from some of the Quads throughout the years. When it comes down to it I need more cores for my daily usage.

Turbo or no turbo, out of the box means out of the box. You can overclock to the sun, but I'm seeing Quads get 4.6Ghz - 4.8Ghz with reasonable voltages.

Also I could careless about a gimped CPU. I don't care if I could get 5Ghz out of it stable below 1.47v, it's still gimped at the end of the day.

Yep, which one reason that the 47xx/46xx's are so popular. However, the 5930k is not gimped, if I found a great deal on a combo I would have no problem moving to that. I have no interest in the 5820k either, it kind of defeats the purpose of the platform.

4.8ghz is not quite as common on the 5930k, but if you get a good chip is it possible around 1.3v or so which is pretty reasonable. 4790k seems to hit around 4.7ghz on average and the 5930k is closer to 4.5ghz or so.
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post #8485 of 13109
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No the 5930K isn't gimped. It's solid.



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Thanks for the advice, staying on X58 and throwing money at AMD/Nvidia sounds like the most logical thing to do. I think mobo/ram would run me around $250-300 + $230 from the cpu itself, which would put me equivalent to a GTX 1070 price wise. Probably a better investment (waiting on those RX480 benchmarks - hoping that delivers). I will run the Solidworks benchmark when I get home. I've been wanting to scratch that upgrade itch for a long time now, but I can wait for the upcoming releases. Fingers crossed Zen doesn't get delayed and delivers. The 6700K is brand new, but if I end up not using it, I will likely give it to a friend.

Sounds good. thumb.gif

I have a Fury X and I thought twice about a RX 480. Then again the Fury X will be more than enough at least until next summer. Perhaps even longer. The RX480 leaks does appear that the $200 might be the best bang for the buck. I'm waiting on official benchmarks as well.
    
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Here is mine, pretty disappointed frown.gif

Here is a link as I can't import the image for some reason.

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Here is mine, pretty disappointed frown.gif

Here is a link as I can't import the image for some reason.

http://img.hwbot.org/u97937/image_id_1656053.png

That seems about right for that config. Is that at 3.8? That board is a bit wasted on those chips though. Single channel?
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Sure it does, it's just that you need to clock the hexa cores to match the frequency of the quads.


I agree, score is about on par. As well that those chips are needing upgrading. toss 2 5650's in there (or higher) for some 24 thread goodness.
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I agree, score is about on par. As well that those chips are needing upgrading. toss 2 5650's in there (or higher) for some 24 thread goodness.

X5650's have what multiplier? My board starts to not post past 205.
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X5650's have what multiplier? My board starts to not post past 205.

They may max out at 20 on that board if it doesn't allow high tdp turbo. I'd probably go x5670's as they would give more headroom and only cost a bit more.
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