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Poll Results: How many years have you owned your X58 - Tylersburg platofrm?

 
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I couldn't get my computer to POST with any multiplier above 10x. To achieve RAM speeds in excess of 1333 MHz, you need to raise the base clock and play with multipliers until you reach the speed you wish to achieve. You'll likely have a hard time achieving speeds much over 2000 MHz. I couldn't achieve 2100 MHz no matter how much I loosened timings.

Im not going for anything too extreme, probably 2000mhz MAX, but I wanted to at least get some action out of this RAM. http://hw-db.com/memory/2833/klevv-urbane-and-genuine-8gb-ddr3-2400-review
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Im not going for anything too extreme, probably 2000mhz MAX, but I wanted to at least get some action out of this RAM. http://hw-db.com/memory/2833/klevv-urbane-and-genuine-8gb-ddr3-2400-review

Sell the Xeon and get a W3680 or W3690 = unlocked core multiplier, and memory multi up to 18
     
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@gofasterstripes

Cinebench 15
750 HT off
954 HT on

4.35Ghz core
6.6GHz QPI
2.7GHz Uncore


EDIT2: got another question. When I plug my mouse and keyboard into the USB 3.0 ports in the back I cannot get into the bios upon any type of startup (cold boot, reboot, etc.) It's like the keyboard isn't there until entering the OS
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Sell the Xeon and get a W3680 or W3690 = unlocked core multiplier, and memory multi up to 18

Not worth the hassle for me. I got the X5670 for $65 and as long as I can reach 4ghz I'm happy.

I was able to get the KLEVV Genuine kit up to 2000mhz 9-9-9-27 with 1.6v but after learning a *little* bit about single rank vs dual rank realize I'm going to be stuck leaving tRFC on auto (232) at these speeds since I cant go past 160 using manual timings on the P6X58D-E. The memory is single rank - Which leaves me with the question, do I give these to a friend/family member and pick up some dual rank memory? I'm having a hard time trying to specifically find out if different sticks I'm looking at are single or dual rank.

Does anyone know if the Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracers (4gb modules) are single or dual rank? Reading through some reviews it looks like the 1866mhz CL9 1.5v modules overclock fairly well and they can be had for a little over $20 a stick. Or does anyone have any particular RAM they would recommend for this Xeon machine that are still available new?

Don't mean to jump on here without reading through the thread but I'd like to make a decision about what to do. I'm only about 5% through reading this entire thread (I'm going to do it).

EDIT:: Looking at the page for this memory on Crucial's site shows 512Meg x 64 which leads me to believe these are also single rank modules comprised of 4gb... so the same situation I'm in with these KLEVV. Do any dual-rank 4gb modules exist or should I stop worrying about my tRFC timings?(http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/blt4g3d1869dt2txob)
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While I'm in here I might as well get validated if that's still a thing. Haven't really worked on overclocking the processor cores... Sticking with Memory then Uncore tuning before I work on my core speed so I know what values I need for stability and can feel more confident if issues arise when overclocking the cpu frequency.

CPU-Z Validation;
http://valid.x86.fr/nl7y6q


After tweaking the settings a bit more at 2000mhz I was able to get these numbers with 1.56v (this is still with tRFC on auto = 232).
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@OCmember

Check USB Keyboard support in Integrated Peripherals is ON.

I managed to do this earlier:

Which is, quite frankly, odd.

Back to 4GHz I go...

TBH I feel pretty sure that this Board would do 4.4 GHz, maybe 4.5 with a 205BCLK, but I just don't have the cooling for it :/

Still, 4 is extremely quick IRL and it is 24/7...
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@X584EVA

I'm using built-in ?realtek? SPDIF out into a couple of Cambridge amps, BX2's and a folded Voight sub, and it sounds great smile.gif

What's with the soundcard? - SPDIF should sound exactly the same from any vendor, surely?

http://valid.x86.fr/l687sq - finally bothered updating CPU-Z tongue.gif
Edited by gofasterstripes - 8/14/16 at 1:28am
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@X584EVA

I'm using built-in ?realtek? SPDIF out into a couple of Cambridge amps, BX2's and a folded Voight sub, and it sounds great smile.gif

What's with the soundcard? - SPDIF should sound exactly the same from any vendor, surely?

http://valid.x86.fr/l687sq - finally bothered updating CPU-Z tongue.gif

What are you outputing though? I doubt DD LIVE or DTS Interactive on mobo sound, could be wrong. It does sound great but just has some lag behind the video.

I have the Rampage 2 Extreme Mobo which only supports stereo over spdif with it's 'X-Fi' riser. Except already encoded stuff like DVD movies etc. Although I have read you can get some hacked drivers and stuff to do DD Live creation on the CPU.

Mainly I got a dedicated soundcard to take the load off the CPU, as little as it may be, and to clean the wiring up going from 6 analogue cables to 1 optical. I may switch back to analogue though as dont like the lag. I never expected it to be so apparent TBH.


Edit - No overclocking today either as going to a BBQ mad.gif Tomorrow I will crank this sucka up though!

ATM the Xeon ticks over at 28C on the hottest core. With P95 running for half an hour it goes up to 48C at 3.3GHz. So I have a good ~30C to play with by my book.
Edited by X584EVA - 8/14/16 at 3:08am
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DDR3-2000 on my particular X5670 sample is proving to need a lot of QPI/VTT, even at relatively modest uncore clocks (3.2GHz). 1.35v should still be safe though, and DDR3-2000 with the stuff I've got is faster than DDR3-1600 at tighter timings, even if I have to run 3.2GHz uncore vs. 3.4 or 3.6.
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I couldn't get my computer to POST with any multiplier above 10x.

Yep. Westmere X56xx parts don't support multipliers over 10x on memory. Some boards will refuse to POST with high multipliers, while others will revert to 10x if you try to use anything higher.
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Sell the Xeon and get a W3680 or W3690 = unlocked core multiplier, and memory multi up to 18

I wouldn't recommend this unless one's X5670 sample is a poor one.

Average OC is very similar (a good X5670 is better than an average W3690 and vice versa) on any decent board, and Westmere's IMC is going to crap out long before you can make use of an 18x memory multiplier (unless you insist on leaving BLCK at stock).
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I was able to get the KLEVV Genuine kit up to 2000mhz 9-9-9-27 with 1.6v but after learning a *little* bit about single rank vs dual rank realize I'm going to be stuck leaving tRFC on auto (232) at these speeds since I cant go past 160 using manual timings on the P6X58D-E. The memory is single rank - Which leaves me with the question, do I give these to a friend/family member and pick up some dual rank memory? I'm having a hard time trying to specifically find out if different sticks I'm looking at are single or dual rank.

Does anyone know if the Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracers (4gb modules) are single or dual rank? Reading through some reviews it looks like the 1866mhz CL9 1.5v modules overclock fairly well and they can be had for a little over $20 a stick. Or does anyone have any particular RAM they would recommend for this Xeon machine that are still available new?

Don't mean to jump on here without reading through the thread but I'd like to make a decision about what to do. I'm only about 5% through reading this entire thread (I'm going to do it).

EDIT:: Looking at the page for this memory on Crucial's site shows 512Meg x 64 which leads me to believe these are also single rank modules comprised of 4gb... so the same situation I'm in with these KLEVV. Do any dual-rank 4gb modules exist or should I stop worrying about my tRFC timings?(http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/blt4g3d1869dt2txob)

Easiest way to tell how many ICs you've got is to simply look at the DIMMs edge on.

Those Crucial sticks do seem to be single rank with eight ICs (512MiB or 4Gib per IC, as the spec sheet says). JEDEC spec for tRFC of this density devices is 260ns, or 260 cycles at 1000MHz (2000MT/s) The 232 you're using is already pretty tight for them (it's 260ns at 933MHz and 232ns at your current speed) and tightening them further may not be practical. You can try it, but boot to a Linux live USB/CD and run GSAT for testing...overly tight tRFC is great way to corrupt an OS install.

There are plenty of 4GiB DIMMs with 2GiB ICs, but they tend to be older and harder to find at this point. Not worth looking for them just to knock a hundred cycles off tRFC.
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After tweaking the settings a bit more at 2000mhz I was able to get these numbers with 1.56v (this is still with tRFC on auto = 232).

Results look about right, but why is your tRAS set to 10? That may cause issues.
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Sticking with Memory then Uncore tuning before I work on my core speed

This is pretty backwards as core clock is far and away the biggest factor in performance. You'll also have to retest everything once you start overclocking the core anyway.
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I was seeing if I could push the memory to that low of a tRAS but yes OCCT did not like that and would have an error within 30 seconds. Ive currently loosened them to 9-9-9-27 with the same 232 tRFC while having 3.4ghz on the cpu and uncore but OCCT gets an error about 20 minutes in. Im sticking with an easy overclock on the CPU first because I really want to test the memory and uncore - I do realize once I move onto the cpu speeds that Ill be going through more testing but want to take away other variables from stability issues. This is all with 1.25vcore, 1.8pll, 1.30qpi and 1.1ioh.

Since I cant change my tRFC past 160 and have to leave it on auto to get 232 would it just be better to move down to 1866 which still leaves tRFC at 232?
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