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Poll Results: How many years have you owned your X58 - Tylersburg platofrm?

 
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post #9081 of 12887
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Originally Posted by CrazyNightOwl View Post

Cool, that's nice to hear! Do you know if the resolution for that benchmark 3K, 4K or 1080p?

It was 1080p. FS extreme is 1440p and ultra is 4k.

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Originally Posted by xenkw0n View Post

How high of a QPI is needed to maintain scores like this without running into a bottleneck? Would 6.3gts QPI be enough for most anything or is say 7.7gts needed if I used 175 as my bclk? And is 7.7 even feasible on these chips?

Honestly, I don't even remember what QPI I was running lol. Now that I think about it, I forgot where to look for it and how to convert it from MHz to Gt/s lol
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Honestly, I don't even remember what QPI I was running lol. Now that I think about it, I forgot where to look for it and how to convert it from MHz to Gt/s lol

I might even be referencing it wrong. I think it's the same thing as 6300mhz vs 7700mhz. I mean if high-end cards in SLI aren't bottlenecked even at like 7000mhz QPI then a single 960 shouldn't see a difference from 6300 vs 7700. I think that's another good test for this weekend smile.gif

1) Find out benchmarks KLEVV modules provide in a fully overclocked machine
2) Compare my X5670 to the ES X5670
3) QPI - How high do you need to go
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post #9083 of 12887
@kpforce1, I think you simply divide the MT/s by 2 to get the frequency in GHz, changing the units from MT/s to GHz while doing so. I think it's related to the link being duplex, or whatever it might be; also note that the transfers are Mega, not Giga. I don't know enough electronics yet to be able to talk about it confidently. =]

Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion regarding 3dmark resolutions, and that means we're all set with our Westmeres and Gulftowns - 1080p is said to be the most CPU-dependent resolution!

Can you also run the 3K and 4K benchmarks? YThank you in advance!

You see, I found some results in the PassMark database using the PerformanceTest built-in browser, and the Direct3D scores for GTX 970's and 980's running on Westmere/Gulftown systems were lower than on Haswell systems, which made me think that the W/G platform was incapable of driving those GPU's properly. Maybe the owners didn't overclock all the parts, especially the QPI?
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Here are my 3D mark 11 results with 4.3ghz and palit 980ti oced at stock volts.
Graphics score 23958
Physics 10516
Combined 10069

oced
Graphics 26147
Physics 10524
Combined 10133



After installing win10 i can't for some reason run firestrike anymore,i guess i have to delete registry keys and reinstall but can't be bothered now biggrin.gif
Edited by Zaor - 8/18/16 at 9:14am
post #9085 of 12887
But that means the 980Ti is stronger than the 1070? I'm officially lost now.. Physics is too low, btw, look at the 14000 in the kpforce1's result.

Edit: Nevermind, that's a different 3dmark version right?
post #9086 of 12887
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But that means the 980Ti is stronger than the 1070? I'm officially lost now.. Physics is too low, btw, look at the 14000 in the kpforce1's result.

Edit: Nevermind, that's a different 3dmark version right?
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Originally Posted by CrazyNightOwl View Post

But that means the 980Ti is stronger than the 1070? I'm officially lost now.. Physics is too low, btw, look at the 14000 in the kpforce1's result.

Edit: Nevermind, that's a different 3dmark version right?

https://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/3dmark11

In firestrike i get 20400 graphics,15100 physics
Edited by Zaor - 8/18/16 at 9:50am
post #9087 of 12887
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Does that mean that, ultimately, the X58 Xeons do not allow the GTX 1070 to be utilized to the full extent?

Going to depend on situation.
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But what I really do care about, is the potential of our beloved X58 platform.

3DMark is not the best way to evaluate this.
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Originally Posted by xenkw0n View Post

How high of a QPI is needed to maintain scores like this without running into a bottleneck? Would 6.3gts QPI be enough for most anything or is say 7.7gts needed if I used 175 as my bclk? And is 7.7 even feasible on these chips?

7.7GT/s is viable, but needs a lot of qpi/vtt voltage for most CPUs and might need a boost to IOH voltage as well.

I'd be very surprised if you actually ran into a QPI bottleneck, even with it underclocked. 6.3GT/s is already delivering more than double the theoretical maximum unidirectional bandwidth of a single PCI-E 2.0 16x slot and the default 6.4GT/s is essentialy enough to support the maximum I/O needs that can be attached to the IOH. A higher QPI clock does mean less latency though.
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post #9088 of 12887
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I don't think you're wrong, but...
Just some food for thought. If it were me and I only need one system.
I would sell the Gigabyte board while it still is worth some money, pick up some more memory to match what you have to make 4 sticks.
There are unlocked E5-1650 hexcore 2011 Sandy bridge CPUs that would drop right in that X79 Sabertooth, they are used, selling for 122$ on ebay right now.
That would works out good for games and rendering and BOINC if you do any of that.

Yeah I saw the 1650's are on the cheap right now. My thinking was to sell the X79 gear and run X58 until maybe next year or so when next gen Kaby Lake drops to do an mITX build with it.
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You would be unlikely to get the RAM to 2400 MHz on the X58 platform if that's what you're hoping for. Between the two processors, the 6-core should perform better in multithreaded tasks. I would probably grab an i7-3930K instead. Here is an E5-1650 that should be unlocked.
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Agree with the above. Grab an unlocked 2011 hexacore chip and clock it up to 4.5+ ghz and sell your x58 board while it's worth something.

If you really want to get the x58 system up and running with 2400mhz memory consider a w3670/80 instead of a x5670 although it will be tricky maybe impossible to get it stable. I was able to get mine up to 2400mhz with a w3670 but the VTT needed wasn't reasonable and saw very little difference over 2000mhz. I ended up going back to the x5670 because it overclocked much better and temps were lower.


I figure with 24GB 2400MHz is unlikely, I'd be happy with 2000MHz though. I plan on keeping the X58 board regardless to save it for benchmarking, not so sure about the X79 which is why I was thinking about maybe dropping down to X58 for the next year(ish).
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I think it makes more sense to sell the X58 gear, but to each their own. You can get an affordable hexacore on X79. And you can just use the RAM on the X79 setup.
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I think it makes more sense to sell the X58 gear, but to each their own. You can get an affordable hexacore on X79. And you can just use the RAM on the X79 setup.

Yeah. There is a fairly solid 5-10% bump from x58 > x79 in raw CPU performance at the same clocks. Not counting memory bandwidth advantages (up to 2x). Then Sandy will almost certainly clock higher at safe volts unless you get a very bad chip.

So you could be looking at a 10-15% advantage over x58, plus the advantage of applications that can use AVX (although they aren't common).

It doesn't make sense to move from x79 to x58 , but it also doesn't make much sense to move from x58 to x79 in most cases unless it is basically a trade up.
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