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Bneg my friend, as one of the idiots from the zoo who made that statement, I will say the following:

PETG Vs Acrylic, all comes down to what fittings you have, and what size tubing you are using. I have more builds running Acrylic tubing, then PETG. I have had a tight acrylic bend cause damage to the blocks instead of breaking, and I have also seen acrylic tube breaking with very little pressure. Don't think there is anything known as a foolproof solution when it comes to water cooling. Even AIOs can leak from what I have heard, does not mean people don't look for alternatives.

I guess metal tubing like copper is the best if someone has any acrylic vs PETG concerns.

Impressive video by the way.... and on a light note - you sure thats not PETG lol....

 

And it also comes down to cost. Acrylic tubing is nearly 3 times (technically 2.8 times) more expensive than PETG tubing over here in the USA. 

 

It is $29.95 for one 12 pack of 36" Primochill PETG tubing. It is $83.40 for twelve 1-packs of 36" Primochill acrylic tubing (No one sells Primochill 36" acrylic tubing in packs). That is a pretty massive difference. Going the PETG route gives you more flexibility for screwing up a bend. Not to mention because of its slightly lower heat threshold, it is easier to fix a mis-bend of the tube.

 

In the end, unless you want to throw money down the drain, or are using fittings where only acrylic tubing is made for that ID, PETG is pretty much a no brainer. They are both so similar that in the end, just go with what is cheaper. Kinda like RAM.

 

And I picked those two products for easy comparison between the two tube types in terms of cost.

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Already happened on the ModZoo,a guys pump failed and the tube got hot and malformed to the point of near breach.

The idiots on there then proceed to tell the guy thats it was PETG superior strength that saved the day...doh.gif They conveniently gloss over the low forming temp......or the fact that it can be cold formed.....not a clever idea idea with no inserts in the tube.

Also,while videos are being made....

And no BS hammer 'test' in sight......

I seriously don't understand where your hate for PETG comes from. This is probably the 5th time I see you (b)eing negative about it.
It works faster and easier .. so why not?
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Lately i've been seeing PETG being picked a lot on many build logs. me myself am going to be using PETG why? it's cheaper ... and it's not like i'll be placing my PC directly in the sun. Also the porosity issue isn't a concern as we change fluid each year so it shouldn't be a problem and by then who knows if PETG will still be the same or not. so for me..+1 for the PETG
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Already happened on the ModZoo,a guys pump failed and the tube got hot and malformed to the point of near breach.

The idiots on there then proceed to tell the guy thats it was PETG superior strength that saved the day...doh.gif They conveniently gloss over the low forming temp......or the fact that it can be cold formed.....not a clever idea idea with no inserts in the tube.

Also,while videos are being made....
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
And no BS hammer 'test' in sight......

Bneg my friend, as one of the idiots from the zoo who made that statement, I will say the following:

PETG Vs Acrylic, all comes down to what fittings you have, and what size tubing you are using. I have more builds running Acrylic tubing, then PETG. I have had a tight acrylic bend cause damage to the blocks instead of breaking, and I have also seen acrylic tube breaking with very little pressure. Don't think there is anything known as a foolproof solution when it comes to water cooling. Even AIOs can leak from what I have heard, does not mean people don't look for alternatives.

I guess metal tubing like copper is the best if someone has any acrylic vs PETG concerns.

Impressive video by the way.... and on a light note - you sure thats not PETG lol....

My issue is with the way you interpret your science,saying a tube that has blatantly failed due to heat and claiming its was the opposite and that the tube itself saved the situation instead of causing it does not lend me any faith in claims made. Acrylic problems are normally caused by 2 things,poor technique and incorrect installation. The tube itself is not the problem,rather peoples ability to use it. The whole hammer test deal is faintly ridiculous as a metric also. Do you subject your loop to blunt force trauma at all? How about torsional stress or tension stress testing or shear strength? Impact strength on its own is not a metric to be concerned about.

Im guessing you are Jesse?

If PETG is the as good as debated then why are no block manufacturer's using it for tops? Or Res? All require the desirable characteristics of material strength that Acrylic has been proven to fail at providing.
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Already happened on the ModZoo,a guys pump failed and the tube got hot and malformed to the point of near breach.

The idiots on there then proceed to tell the guy thats it was PETG superior strength that saved the day...doh.gif They conveniently gloss over the low forming temp......or the fact that it can be cold formed.....not a clever idea idea with no inserts in the tube.

Also,while videos are being made....

And no BS hammer 'test' in sight......

I seriously don't understand where your hate for PETG comes from. This is probably the 5th time I see you (b)eing negative about it.
It works faster and easier .. so why not?

As I tell you repeatedly,its not the material,its the ridiculous 'science' used to promote it.
I have many posts on this forum saying that,for me, PETG is unproven as fit for purpose,I will wait and see what happens like any observant person should do when faced with a new material. Pretty much anyone on OCN that is in the watercooling club can testify to that.
Not hate,caution.
And that thread on the Modzoo just proved what I thought.

Faster and easier is not always better.
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If PETG is the as good as debated then why are no block manufacturer's using it for tops? Or Res? All require the desirable characteristics of material strength that Acrylic has been proven to fail at providing.

I think you meant PETG here?



Also, about your video... The difference between PETG and Acrylic isn't in the tensile strength, where they are almost the same. In fact, Acrylic has slightly higher tensile strength than PETG in that regard (difference of about 8%). The impact strength of PETG is far superior to Acrylic, however. It's around 400% higher with PETG than Acrylic.

What does this mean? It means that if you happen to drop, partially drop, or otherwise jar your case abruptly, the flex in the chassis which may cause some parts of the case to move, you're less (75% if you go by the impact strength) likely to break a PETG tube than an Acrylic tube. Yes it might deform, but if I happened to have an incident as previously specified, I would much rather have a tube that's deformed and holding water, rather than cracked and leaking.

I have actually used Acrylic more than PETG because it's what I had on hand. I haven't had any issue with either one yet. So I agree with others, go with what fits your color scheme, fitting size, and budget. It's a bit like the whole 3/8ID vs 1/2" ID debate that people like to have. What's the point? Is it really worth caring about? For 90% of water-coolers, it will make no discernible difference, so just pick what you like for what ever reason you like it.
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If PETG is the as good as debated then why are no block manufacturer's using it for tops? Or Res? All require the desirable characteristics of material strength that Acrylic has been proven to fail at providing.

I think you meant PETG here?



Also, about your video... The difference between PETG and Acrylic isn't in the tensile strength, where they are almost the same. In fact, Acrylic has slightly higher tensile strength than PETG in that regard (difference of about 8%). The impact strength of PETG is far superior to Acrylic, however. It's around 400% higher with PETG than Acrylic.

What does this mean? It means that if you happen to drop, partially drop, or otherwise jar your case abruptly, the flex in the chassis which may cause some parts of the case to move, you're less (75% if you go by the impact strength) likely to break a PETG tube than an Acrylic tube. Yes it might deform, but if I happened to have an incident as previously specified, I would much rather have a tube that's deformed and holding water, rather than cracked and leaking.

I have actually used Acrylic more than PETG because it's what I had on hand. I haven't had any issue with either one yet. So I agree with others, go with what fits your color scheme, fitting size, and budget. It's a bit like the whole 3/8ID vs 1/2" ID debate that people like to have. What's the point? Is it really worth caring about? For 90% of water-coolers, it will make no discernible difference, so just pick what you like for what ever reason you like it.

No,I meant Acrylic,there are many reports of cracked acrylic tops and res on this forum,all down to the weakness of acrylic in certain stress points,why is PETG not adopted instead?

That case wasnt dropped either so no tube cracking,the pump failed and the loop overheated,that fail happened before the thermal shut down happened. Not what I would call a desirable characteristic.....

I have yet to break a tube (taps desk) from transport to and from LAN's and displays with any hardtubed loop,im off to one next weekend with LUMO which is also hardlined and should also stay together.
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No,I meant Acrylic,there are many reports of cracked acrylic tops and res on this forum,all down to the weakness of acrylic in certain stress points,why is PETG not adopted instead?

That case wasnt dropped either so no tube cracking,the pump failed and the loop overheated,that fail happened before the thermal shut down happened. Not what I would call a desirable characteristic.....

I have yet to break a tube (taps desk) from transport to and from LAN's and displays with any hardtubed loop,im off to one next weekend with LUMO which is also hardlined and should also stay together.

Dude that lumo should hold anything. Case strength helps a lot.

Also to your guess, I'm Jesse (the pretty one). And who knows maybe we will see some PETG tops, reservoirs, and other things some day.

At the end of the day, all I know is that I love the fact that I have more options when it comes to watercooling now compared to 4 years ago. You might not like PETG, and others might not Acrylic, to each their own. I use what I have available, and what the my build needs (based on fittings used)
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No,I meant Acrylic,there are many reports of cracked acrylic tops and res on this forum,all down to the weakness of acrylic in certain stress points,why is PETG not adopted instead?

That case wasnt dropped either so no tube cracking,the pump failed and the loop overheated,that fail happened before the thermal shut down happened. Not what I would call a desirable characteristic.....

I have yet to break a tube (taps desk) from transport to and from LAN's and displays with any hardtubed loop,im off to one next weekend with LUMO which is also hardlined and should also stay together.

Gotcha, I thought you were talking about why we didn't see Acrylic tops, which we do. Misunderstood, but I got it now. I know what the thread was about, but wasn't referencing it, was going in another direction is all. It's a horse a piece to me. I use whatever I have on hand, which is usually whatever ends up being cheapest (I'm a deal hunter biggrin.gif)

If a Rigid Aluminum tube frame chassis flexes enough to break a tube, you've got bigger problems than what tubing you're running lol I have one, and I bet you could jump on that thing and be in the clear tongue.gif
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As I tell you repeatedly,its not the material,its the ridiculous 'science' used to promote it.
I have many posts on this forum saying that,for me, PETG is unproven as fit for purpose,I will wait and see what happens like any observant person should do when faced with a new material. Pretty much anyone on OCN that is in the watercooling club can testify to that.
Not hate,caution.
And that thread on the Modzoo just proved what I thought.

Faster and easier is not always better.

You are bashing all hammers including mine lol.
However for me it was no science, it was just to show the difference in tensile strength.
I've been doing acrylic loops since april 2010 and never had any cracked pipe inside a build either. Did crack a few while sawing (out of hundreds)

Still my conclusions have never been negative about acrylic.
Heck I will probably keep using acrylic the first few years cause I have like 200 pipes in different lengths laying around from 8mm up to 200mm which makes building loops easier.

Still these are my conclusions



Some people are indeed cautious, understandable.
But there are always people who will want to try it first, be a pioneer.
But please .. don't keep bashing them over and over blushsmiley.gif


For me the biggest + on PETG is .... you can use a pipe cutter.
If done right you don't even have to sand edges.
So takes like 3 seconds to cut a pipe on length.
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As I tell you repeatedly,its not the material,its the ridiculous 'science' used to promote it.
I have many posts on this forum saying that,for me, PETG is unproven as fit for purpose,I will wait and see what happens like any observant person should do when faced with a new material. Pretty much anyone on OCN that is in the watercooling club can testify to that.
Not hate,caution.
And that thread on the Modzoo just proved what I thought.

Faster and easier is not always better.

You are bashing all hammers including mine lol.
However for me it was no science, it was just to show the difference in tensile strength.
I've been doing acrylic loops since april 2010 and never had any cracked pipe inside a build either. Did crack a few while sawing (out of hundreds)

Still my conclusions have never been negative about acrylic.
Heck I will probably keep using acrylic the first few years cause I have like 200 pipes in different lengths laying around from 8mm up to 200mm which makes building loops easier.

Still these are my conclusions
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Some people are indeed cautious, understandable.
But there are always people who will want to try it first, be a pioneer.
But please .. don't keep bashing them over and over blushsmiley.gif


For me the biggest + on PETG is .... you can use a pipe cutter.
If done right you don't even have to sand edges.
So takes like 3 seconds to cut a pipe on length.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Again,you are missing the point,im not bashing anyone for using PETG,im bashing the way its being promoted.
And a hammer tests impact strength,not tensile....you dont know the difference?
There is also no need to repost the video you have already posted in this thread...
Edited by B NEGATIVE - 3/28/15 at 12:45am
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