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Originally Posted by kl6mk6 View Post

The ring voltage scales with the uncore ratio, not the core ratio.

Agree that is the general rule.

But my original i5 I had would require a 0.01V increase of cache voltage per 100MHz I was giving on CPU clock between 4.4 - 4.6GHz even though cache had remained on same multiplier / clock.
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I was tryjng to get to 4.9Ghz and I kept getting BSOD 101 I raised vcore as high as 1.47 and VCCIN up to 2.1v, but this was with out changing cache ratio and cache voltages.
And I tried lowerjng VCCiN as suggested but no dice.

IF I was in your shoes I'd test 2 things :-

a) lower cache ratio to check if higher CPU is then attainable.

b) up cache voltage.

I know my 101 BSOD were fixed by raising cache voltage on my original i5, I didn't up VCCIN as wasn't really using levels of VCORE that would require it IMO.
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How did you test to go that low on your cache?

I ask this cause a few weeks ago I was tryjng to get to 4.9Ghz and I kept getting BSOD 101 I raised vcore as high as 1.47 and VCCIN up to 2.1v, but this was with out changing cache ratio and cache voltages.
And I tried lowerjng VCCiN as suggested but no dice.

Wait without changing cache ratio? If it's on auto that will certainly cripple your overclock.
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Wait without changing cache ratio? If it's on auto that will certainly cripple your overclock.
Yes Cache ratio was not changed.
x40 cache ratio default
1.20 vring..
That is why I ask if these things change going up on core multipliers, does it need to be increase while going up.
After seeing that BSOD list it may very well be cache voltages, but since cache is at defaults would it be good ?
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Agree that is the general rule.

But my original i5 I had would require a 0.01V increase of cache voltage per 100MHz I was giving on CPU clock between 4.4 - 4.6GHz even though cache had remained on same multiplier / clock.
IF I was in your shoes I'd test 2 things :-

a) lower cache ratio to check if higher CPU is then attainable.

b) up cache voltage.

I know my 101 BSOD were fixed by raising cache voltage on my original i5, I didn't up VCCIN as wasn't really using levels of VCORE that would require it IMO.
Start with 1.20 volts then raise by .01?
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Hmmm ...

If my chip I'd probably not go over 1.20V for 24/7 use (again only if chip is defaulting to that), just for a little testing to see if it helps yes I would.

After having read info regarding voltages when doing my own research the table that I linked by der8aur is good/safe. He suggests max 1.25V for testing purposes, again I'd not whack it to that but test with small increments.

IIRC even though a stock 4790K turbos to 4.4GHz CPU clock I think cache is 4.0GHz.

IF so then I'd first manually set cache ratio to 40 and lock the cache voltage to whatever the chip is defaulting to, in your case 1.20V IIRC from one of your posts.

Then I'd raise CPU ratio and find the breaking point where 40 cache is falling over, at that point I'd opt for single changes to profile how chip is reacting.

For example lets say you can get an OC of 4.8GHz CPU with 4.0GHz cache with VCCRING 1.20V solid stable then if at the point of jumping to 4.9GHz on the CPU your getting BSOD 101 then I'd first lower cache ratio. IF it's stable then I know the higher cache maybe attainable with extra VCCRING. IF upping VCCRING doesn't get rid of the BSOD 101 then I'd be tempted to try upping VCCIN. IIRC VCCIN only needs to be 0.4 - 0.5V higher then the VCORE your using.

IF VCCRING and/or VCCIN changes don't allow 4.0GHz cache with 4.9GHz CPU and only a cache ratio drop is allowing the OC to be stable then I'd just settle for that. CPU clock is king and if lowering cache allows me a better CPU clock then I'd opt for that.
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Yes Cache ratio was not changed.
x40 cache ratio default
1.20 vring..
That is why I ask if these things change going up on core multipliers, does it need to be increase while going up.
After seeing that BSOD list it may very well be cache voltages, but since cache is at defaults would it be good ?

From what I have read, you do not want to leave your uncore on auto. Manually set it to 40x and set your VRING to 1.200v as was suggested already. If you are still having trouble try an uncore of 35x. Only after you get a stable core should you work on increasing your uncore ratio or decrease your Ring voltage. Core is king when it comes to performance.
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Check the seasonal temps changes
Edited by Thrillsy - 10/28/15 at 2:26pm
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NICE! thumb.gif

Did you delid?
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NICE! thumb.gif

Did you delid?

No, just difference in seasonal temps, sorry i'll edit the post. I'd like to delid and put under custom water at some stage. I'm going to wait and see what Skylake E will turn out, might just pass it and go water.

Hows your i5 gupsterg? you didnt give any update on it.. i remember it was fantastic chip.
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From what I have read, you do not want to leave your uncore on auto. Manually set it to 40x and set your VRING to 1.200v as was suggested already. If you are still having trouble try an uncore of 35x. Only after you get a stable core should you work on increasing your uncore ratio or decrease your Ring voltage. Core is king when it comes to performance.

Sorry if ive not been clear with my posts.
My cache ratio has ALWAYS been at stock/default etc at x40/4000Mhz etc. The ONLY thing ive changed in regards to this is cache ratio voltage which is lowering it to 1.05-1.20, 1.20 is the "auto" in bios.
My question about it scaling up with higher multiplier on the core, things with cache ratio have not changed, to an extent to testing 1.05-1.20.
Speaking in the subject ive actually passed x264 v2.06 with cache ratio voltage of 1.05-1.20.
What is being suggested a few posts back is what im gonna do, when I get to testing at 4.9Ghz. Im in disbelief that my chip "can't" do it. Since ive only messed with the basic settings, which this and the haswell guide touch in. However, the guides don't really touch on other settings*other guides/sites sort of touch in the other stuff.

Ive read a guide that says its okay to have cache voltage above vcore as well as over 1.20 "safe/dont go over this" voltage.

Weird things are happening now, when I try to retest these x25 runs of x264 v2.06 that I pass, I fail with what I have saved for 4.7Ghz and 4.8Ghz, so im going to redo my testing.

One thing though is the version of x264 v2.06,is it as stressful as v2.05?
Also, for testing cache, what is the best way to test? Realbench?
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