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So as you can see when you said 1.200 has gone down to 1.96V, I made joke you need new DMM as when it was reading a down volt it's showing rise biggrin.gif .

Yea thats my fault i feel super embarrassed i missed that. The only thing that dmm needs is a new amp fuse but yea thats my fault. Could you imagine having it really show 1.96v thats liquid nitrogen voltage lol. redface.gif
    
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Again this is VCORE not VCCIN, my RAM also shows 1.5v on the DMM and 1.488 on the BIOS. So no i dont need a new dmm lol.

Fixed mode will keep the voltage the same even when you idle unless your cores don't clock and you use full power at all times for no reason haha.

This is from Martin who wrote HWinfo.

"The fundamental difference is that:
- The VID is read directly from the CPU's particular core. It's the value the CPU requests depending on its current state and the value it 'thinks' it gets. However in reality, it might get a different voltage - the exact value depends on mainboard's voltage regulator circuitry and particular settings.

- The Vcore on the other hand is a MEASURED value by a dedicated sensor. So this should be the true voltage supplied to the CPU. Reporting correct Vcore voltage might require special adjustment in HWiNFO for each mainboard model (HWiNFO has this for most of them including yours)."

It would be very odd to have your vcore be higher then the VID since VID id would be whats requested. Meaning your vcore is getting more then it demands?

I know all these infos and this is the way i want OC my CPU, fixed mode, no C-states actived and VID applied in override mode.

If you can try with a kill-a-watt you'll se little energy savings in a year of use of a PC with the CPU OCed in adaptive mode with c-states actived against the same CPU OCed like i'm using mine, and i may guess that you'll not use an OCed PC for torrent download that is powered 24/7... Am i right?!?! biggrin.gif

It's normal that VCore didn't correspond to VID because as defined by Martin, VID is the voltage "expected" by the CPU (Intel fix it during forging of every CPU) but VCore is the voltage "supplied" by the MoBo's and different quality and component choosed for VRM by the producer reflect VRM responsivness and voltages supplied.

A note aside...when you're checking with a DMM the point of reading of the MoBo that the producer has labeled "VCore" are you sure of reading VCore instead of VID?!?! wink.gif

Cheers,

KK
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Hello,

I just like to say that I have flashed the 1.10 BIOS and I am trying to stabilize at 4.8 GHz and especially at 4.9, but it is impossible to do it. 4.8 GHz requires the same amount of VCore and I'd say a bit more Cache voltage, under P1.10. For my, currently unachievable, 4.9 GHz I have tried up to 1.4V for the core and 1.250V for the cache, in the BIOS, override and adaptive modes. The x264 is crashing. For sure it is not the most appropriate period for stress testing now, ambient temps here being around 27 C and my core max temp is around 75 - 80 C during these tests, so I think I will re-flash the latest 1.80 BIOS, load my per-core OC, see post #20712, and call it a day.

The reason I "bothered" with all this, is that first of all and most importantly, overclocking is a hobby for me. I am not expecting to gain ANY significant performance from overclocking my processor, and even if I would run it at stock it would still be fast enough for me, but I like to try new things and experiment. My Home PC is just a toy for me and it is not used for any kind of serious / demanding tasks, like for my business or my studies. This is the only reason I am attempting to overclock, and this BIOS was flashed as an experiment. For other's chips it works, for mine it does not. It is the same like the latest BIOS.

Thank you, @killkernel, for your suggestions, and when it comes to modding BIOSes with U.B.U. and stuff like that, sounds nice but it is not the appropriate period for me to try such modifications now.
One last question, just out of curiosity: - What is your CPU Input voltage and LLC level? smile.gif I couldn't decipher it from your screenshot..

Good day smile.gifthumb.gif

PS: @JackCY, mind sharing how you test for stability on your per-core OC? Per-core is the BEST overclock a person can use! (according to my personal & subjective opinion)

Sorry to ear that revision 1.10 didn't help to gain some extra Mhz or VCore reduction LostParticle, for my configuration with 32GB of G.Skill Trident X 2666 C12 has helped because with same settings on others BIOSes revisions HW didn't pass Prime 95 torture test.

My LLC is set to 1 but as i think you know, the LLC is applied to VCCIN and not VCore but in my case a VCCIN @1,84V with a LLC1 gave me stability, i've tried higher VCCIN (up to 1,92V) with lower level of LLC but wasn't stable...for my achieved experince it seems that for multipliers around "x47/x48" the VCCIN @1,84V is the "magic number" for stability when coupled with an "aggressive" LLC, at least for my case and also for a friend of mine. wink.gif

Cheers,

KK
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Sorry to ear that revision 1.10 didn't help to gain some extra Mhz or VCore reduction LostParticle, for my configuration with 32GB of G.Skill Trident X 2666 C12 has helped because with same settings on others BIOSes revisions HW didn't pass Prime 95 torture test.

My LLC is set to 1 but as i think you know, the LLC is applied to VCCIN and not VCore but in my case a VCCIN @1,84V with a LLC1 gave me stability, i've tried higher VCCIN (up to 1,92V) with lower level of LLC but wasn't stable...for my achieved experince it seems that for multipliers around "x47/x48" the VCCIN @1,84V is the "magic number" for stability when coupled with an "aggressive" LLC, at least for my case and also for a friend of mine. wink.gif

Cheers,

KK


Yes, I know that LLC levels affect Vccin only. Also, in my system, lower Vccin always results in a lower Max Core temp (under stress testing).

Well, with my chip, and I mean this 3rd i7-4790K I am currently using, I discovered that with CPU Input V = 1.55 V and LLC level 1, I can run safely at x47, x48, x49 and my per-core, as well. This was not possible with the previous two DCs I owned, so it's chip-specific. This is why I have been always using 1.55 Vccin. Lately, like a couple of weeks ago, I've reconsidered and started using 1.7V with LLC level 5, to allow some Vdroop. With my chip and BIOS P1.80, all that I just described is possible, and I have already posted screenshots in this thread, of my system completing 5 or 10 loops of the x264 v. 2.06, under these settings. This is my preferable stress test.

So, our chips are different and I am going to flash 1.80 back smile.gif

Another thing perhaps worth mentioning is that I am always using Adaptive on everything and I keep as many C-States as possible, enabled (and not just Auto). During stress testing, initially, I test like this! Because I'm trying to stress my system the way I will end up using it. IF though repetitive failures will occur, I change to Override and then to disabling all C-States. Usually, it completes the test without having to change anything. Otherwise (simply) more voltage is required.


Thank you for your suggestions and your support! + REP thumb.gif
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I know all these infos and this is the way i want OC my CPU, fixed mode, no C-states actived and VID applied in override mode.

If you can try with a kill-a-watt you'll se little energy savings in a year of use of a PC with the CPU OCed in adaptive mode with c-states actived against the same CPU OCed like i'm using mine, and i may guess that you'll not use an OCed PC for torrent download that is powered 24/7... Am i right?!?! biggrin.gif

It's normal that VCore didn't correspond to VID because as defined by Martin, VID is the voltage "expected" by the CPU (Intel fix it during forging of every CPU) but VCore is the voltage "supplied" by the MoBo's and different quality and component choosed for VRM by the producer reflect VRM responsivness and voltages supplied.

A note aside...when you're checking with a DMM the point of reading of the MoBo that the producer has labeled "VCore" are you sure of reading VCore instead of VID?!?! wink.gif

Cheers,

KK

Yup positive. VCORE is way more important then VID. Whatever you set it to in the mobo under core voltage should be exactly what you get. Theres going to be some variance but not much.

Also pretty sure when downloading a torrent you dont need all your cores maxed out, ive downloaded a few times and my pc is def not using 4.5ghz at all times.
    
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Sorry to ear that revision 1.10 didn't help to gain some extra Mhz or VCore reduction LostParticle, for my configuration with 32GB of G.Skill Trident X 2666 C12 has helped because with same settings on others BIOSes revisions HW didn't pass Prime 95 torture test.

My LLC is set to 1 but as i think you know, the LLC is applied to VCCIN and not VCore but in my case a VCCIN @1,84V with a LLC1 gave me stability, i've tried higher VCCIN (up to 1,92V) with lower level of LLC but wasn't stable...for my achieved experince it seems that for multipliers around "x47/x48" the VCCIN @1,84V is the "magic number" for stability when coupled with an "aggressive" LLC, at least for my case and also for a friend of mine. wink.gif

Cheers,

KK
I think more than with a CPU changes in the UEFI it may have to be RAM timings or something, there is so much that can change between updates you would need to read some extended log of the changes which I'm not sure they provide.
I've only noticed fixed issues with newer UEFIs no changes to OCability.
post #20738 of 22515
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Yes, I know that LLC levels affect Vccin only. Also, in my system, lower Vccin always results in a lower Max Core temp (under stress testing).

Well, with my chip, and I mean this 3rd i7-4790K I am currently using, I discovered that with CPU Input V = 1.55 V and LLC level 1, I can run safely at x47, x48, x49 and my per-core, as well. This was not possible with the previous two DCs I owned, so it's chip-specific. This is why I have been always using 1.55 Vccin. Lately, like a couple of weeks ago, I've reconsidered and started using 1.7V with LLC level 5, to allow some Vdroop. With my chip and BIOS P1.80, all that I just described is possible, and I have already posted screenshots in this thread, of my system completing 5 or 10 loops of the x264 v. 2.06, under these settings. This is my preferable stress test.

So, our chips are different and I am going to flash 1.80 back smile.gif

Another thing perhaps worth mentioning is that I am always using Adaptive on everything and I keep as many C-States as possible, enabled (and not just Auto). During stress testing, initially, I test like this! Because I'm trying to stress my system the way I will end up using it. IF though repetitive failures will occur, I change to Override and then to disabling all C-States. Usually, it completes the test without having to change anything. Otherwise (simply) more voltage is required.


Thank you for your suggestions and your support! + REP thumb.gif

Thanks for your REP Sir! thumb.gif

I know that some chips like lower VCCIN and others don't and i've tried every time that i was testing a CPU because with these silicons everything is potentially "esclusive" and related to the CPU you're handling with but in this past year I have purchased, tested and then sold about 30s CPU (3 Core i7 4770K and 27 Core i7 4790K) and i've got some experience and let me say "some statistics"... biggrin.gif

I've "registered" similar behaviour of CPUs that came from same "batch line" e.g. :

- CPUs from "A" batch are tendentially forged with high VID, scales with decent VCore progression but hit walls @ x46/x47 multipliers because are rather hot even they may love lower VCCIN,

- CPUs from "B" batch are tendentially forged with lower VID, scales well but have some sort of "break even point" not related to multiplier/frequency wall but is the point where stop the progression between scaling multiplier/needed VCore step (tendentially 0.040V per multiplier scaling) and often these CPUs hit an higher wall and didn't like lower VCCIN,

- CPUs from "C" batch are rather rare and are an interesting mix of caratheristics of the previous batch because the 3 CPUs that i have tested were with a low VID, were quite hot but lesser hot than "A" batch, scaled well like "B" batch but without the "break even point" on VCore/multiplier progression...very nice batch for AIO watercooled OCed rig. wink.gif

Another thing that must be considered when evaluating the possibility of testing a lower VCCIN is the base frequency multiplier infact 4770K have a stock multiplier of x35 and seems that MoBos have a much consistent effort in OCing the CPU and infact none of the 4770K that i've tested loved lower VCCIN, on the contrary a strong LLC on a high VCCIN was required for scaling frequencies.

I think that it's not wrong to say that Core i7 4790K are advantaged by the reworked FIVR and the x40 base multiplier in OCing attempts, infact on OC statistics are more 4790K to reach x50 or above multiplier and very few 4770K.

Cheers,

KK
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Feeling like a boss. 5.0ghz at 1.4v no issues (except the peak of my cooling capabilities I reached 91c stress testing). Might be able to bring the voltage down but I see no reason to run at 5.0 for more then playing around. Probably get a solid 4.7ghz daily OC and leave it.

http://valid.x86.fr/9qmcdm

Not sure what everyone uses for stress testing but I just ran through IBT 10 times and it seems to run fine at 5.0. Feels good to break 5.0ghz stable. This was something I could never accomplish on my FX-8350 with a similar cooler.
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1.2v at 4.8ghz ran fine for stress testing but game crashed while playing. Bumped up to 1.232v (1.62v input) and increased uncore clock to 4200 for the hell of it. Now runs stable with low sound fan profile under 70c during heavy load and no problems gaming. Probably keep it here for a daily OC. Any real benefits in graphic rendering speed or gaming FPS from increasing uncore clock further?
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