Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › The Intel Devil's Canyon Owners Club
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Intel Devil's Canyon Owners Club - Page 2105

post #21041 of 22487
I'm overclocking manual voltage mode with C-states enabled like many ppl here. Windows power mode is high performance, 5% min, 100% max. My mobo is ASRock z97 Fatal1ty killer. The options for Package C-State Support are listed: C3/C6/C7/Auto/Disabled. There is no "Enabled" option. I read in this thread it should be set to "Enabled" not Auto. Should I select Auto anyway or one of the other C states? TIA!
Edited by Stealth3si - 7/24/16 at 11:57am
post #21042 of 22487
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth3si View Post

I'm overclocking manual voltage mode with C-states enabled like many ppl here. Windows power mode is high performance, 5% min, 100% max. My mobo is ASRock z97 Fatal1ty killer. The options for Package C-State Support are listed: C3/C6/C7/Auto/Disabled. There is no "Enabled" option. I read in this thread it should be set to "Enabled" not Auto. Should I select Auto anyway or one of the other C states? TIA!

On my ASRock Z97 OC Formula I get the most Power Saving by setting this specific setting on Auto and at the same time set my PCIe Link Speed to Gen3. When setting it at any of the other available settings I have problems with my Audio (see sig_rig) and with my GPU (it goes up to max 5,00 GT/s in HWiNFO64, whereas with "Auto" it raises up to 8,00 GT/s). Perhaps it's worth mentioning that during overclocking my mobo disables this setting.
Edited by LostParticle - 7/24/16 at 1:44pm
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K ASRock Z97 OC Formula; ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO; G... Gigabyte GV-N66TOC-2GD G.SKILL F3-1866C8D-16GTX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB Samsung 840 PRO 128GB Plextor PX-128M5S 128GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
WD 1002FAEX 1TB Caviar BLACK (in enclosure) Noctua NH-D15S Corsair H110 2 x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000/3000 PWM ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Case Fan: 1 x Noctua NF-A14 PWM (rear, exhaust) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM (front, intake) Case Fans: 2 x Noctua NF-S12A FLX (front, intake) Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 TP KDE Neon Developer Stable HP ZR2440w Dell U2311H 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard 4000 Corsair AX760 (Platinum); EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Corsair Air 540 Asus Xonar Essence STX II 
AudioOtherOther
Sennheiser HD 600 Aquaero 5LT  THRUSTMASTER GPX LIGHTBACK FERRARI F1 GAMEPAD 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K ASRock Z97 OC Formula; ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO; G... Gigabyte GV-N66TOC-2GD G.SKILL F3-1866C8D-16GTX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB Samsung 840 PRO 128GB Plextor PX-128M5S 128GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
WD 1002FAEX 1TB Caviar BLACK (in enclosure) Noctua NH-D15S Corsair H110 2 x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000/3000 PWM ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Case Fan: 1 x Noctua NF-A14 PWM (rear, exhaust) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM (front, intake) Case Fans: 2 x Noctua NF-S12A FLX (front, intake) Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 TP KDE Neon Developer Stable HP ZR2440w Dell U2311H 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard 4000 Corsair AX760 (Platinum); EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Corsair Air 540 Asus Xonar Essence STX II 
AudioOtherOther
Sennheiser HD 600 Aquaero 5LT  THRUSTMASTER GPX LIGHTBACK FERRARI F1 GAMEPAD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #21043 of 22487
For the time being I will have Package C-State on Auto. How will I know which C-state the CPU is using? i.e. a program/tool to detect the current C-state?
Quote:
Originally Posted by LostParticle View Post

On my ASRock Z97 OC Formula I get the most Power Saving by setting this specific setting on Auto and at the same time set my PCIe Link Speed to Gen3. When setting it at any of the other available settings I have problems with my Audio (see sig_rig) and with my GPU (it goes up to max 5,00 GT/s in HWiNFO64, whereas with "Auto" it raises up to 8,00 GT/s). Perhaps it's worth mentioning that during overclocking my mobo disables this setting.
My mobo allows me to set PCIe Link Speed to Auto. The description says "Auto is optimized for overclocking." HWinfo64 shows 2.5 GT/s on idle and 8.0 GT/s on load. I think I will leave PCIe Link Speed on Auto for now.
post #21044 of 22487
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth3si View Post

For the time being I will have Package C-State on Auto. How will I know which C-state the CPU is using? i.e. a program/tool to detect the current C-state?
My mobo allows me to set PCIe Link Speed to Auto. The description says "Auto is optimized for overclocking." HWinfo64 shows 2.5 GT/s on idle and 8.0 GT/s on load. I think I will leave PCIe Link Speed on Auto for now.

Sure, whatever settings work best for you smile.gif

For me, the best monitoring tool is HWiNFO64, and I suggest you to always use the latest beta. I realize my power saving by its various voltage and Watt sensors which in my system take from very low to zero values (on idle / light use). Another utility where you can see your C-States is Real Temp. (Here's an example)
Edited by LostParticle - 7/24/16 at 10:39pm
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K ASRock Z97 OC Formula; ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO; G... Gigabyte GV-N66TOC-2GD G.SKILL F3-1866C8D-16GTX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB Samsung 840 PRO 128GB Plextor PX-128M5S 128GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
WD 1002FAEX 1TB Caviar BLACK (in enclosure) Noctua NH-D15S Corsair H110 2 x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000/3000 PWM ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Case Fan: 1 x Noctua NF-A14 PWM (rear, exhaust) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM (front, intake) Case Fans: 2 x Noctua NF-S12A FLX (front, intake) Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 TP KDE Neon Developer Stable HP ZR2440w Dell U2311H 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard 4000 Corsair AX760 (Platinum); EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Corsair Air 540 Asus Xonar Essence STX II 
AudioOtherOther
Sennheiser HD 600 Aquaero 5LT  THRUSTMASTER GPX LIGHTBACK FERRARI F1 GAMEPAD 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K ASRock Z97 OC Formula; ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO; G... Gigabyte GV-N66TOC-2GD G.SKILL F3-1866C8D-16GTX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB Samsung 840 PRO 128GB Plextor PX-128M5S 128GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
WD 1002FAEX 1TB Caviar BLACK (in enclosure) Noctua NH-D15S Corsair H110 2 x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000/3000 PWM ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Case Fan: 1 x Noctua NF-A14 PWM (rear, exhaust) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM (front, intake) Case Fans: 2 x Noctua NF-S12A FLX (front, intake) Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 TP KDE Neon Developer Stable HP ZR2440w Dell U2311H 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard 4000 Corsair AX760 (Platinum); EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Corsair Air 540 Asus Xonar Essence STX II 
AudioOtherOther
Sennheiser HD 600 Aquaero 5LT  THRUSTMASTER GPX LIGHTBACK FERRARI F1 GAMEPAD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #21045 of 22487
Thx!
post #21046 of 22487
So I tweaked the tertiary voltages as per the discussion that was going on and the chip is at 4.7 with 1.305 volts now. My issue is that's it's 100% stable on manual but crashes on adaptive voltage. I have the c-states active in both cases. Will offset voltage work better in this case? I'm just trying to have a chip run cooler since it doesn't get high vid all the time. Thanks
post #21047 of 22487
Quote:
Originally Posted by vasyltheonly View Post

So I tweaked the tertiary voltages as per the discussion that was going on and the chip is at 4.7 with 1.305 volts now. My issue is that's it's 100% stable on manual but crashes on adaptive voltage. I have the c-states active in both cases. Will offset voltage work better in this case? I'm just trying to have a chip run cooler since it doesn't get high vid all the time. Thanks

Yeah, I'd try adaptive + offset.

Start small. Just take .01v off your final voltage and add a .01v offset. Mine definitely prefers certain offsets over others, so don't jump in too large of an increment.

If it's still unstable with a .025v offset (and the matching -.025v from your current adaptive setting) try setting the ring/cache voltage up in similar style with the same offset. Mine seems to like matching offsets on core and cache, but I have no idea if that's a common deal or if my FIVR is particularly picky.
post #21048 of 22487
So I managed to get my CPU stable at 4.8GHz at 1.305V. That is with cache at 42x, VRing at 1.2V, VCCIN at 1.96V, VCCSA at +0.2V (1.016V), VCCIO-D at +0.12V (1.15V) and VCCIO-A at +0.07V (1.1V). RAM is at 2400MHz CL10 at 1.65V. Seems tweeking everything can get you quite far.

Thing is, my temps suck. No other way to put it. Running 10 cycles of x265 resulted in temps over 80C on average. Max was like 85C. I hope it's due to the troubles I'm having with my cooler, because if it's due to the raised IO and SA voltages, it sucks. I think it's a combination of both, though. Any ideas are welcome. smile.gif

Now, in case anyone can chime in here. I have a problem with my Corsair H110. I wanted to remove it to change the TIM (It's some 2-years old MX4 that's done the job ok, but I have some Kryonaut, so I want to use that), but one of the screws just wouldn't unscrew. Turns out the standoff that holds the screw onto the backplate is loose and it's spinning as I try to unscrew the screw. Nothing I've tried so far works. I can't hold it down, I can't force it, I can't stabilize it with pliers, nothing. The others are fine, it's just the top right one that went crazy. I'm thinking about glueing it on the backplate so that I can at least remove the thing and see where it goes from there.

Worst thing is, there must be air bubbles between the block and IHS and that's what caused my temps to rise. Removing 3 of the 4 screws led to the block hanging from that one screw, so air could get in problem. At least it didn't damange anything, knock on wood... mad.gif
post #21049 of 22487
Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis626 View Post

So I managed to get my CPU stable at 4.8GHz at 1.305V. That is with cache at 42x, VRing at 1.2V, VCCIN at 1.96V, VCCSA at +0.2V (1.016V), VCCIO-D at +0.12V (1.15V) and VCCIO-A at +0.07V (1.1V). RAM is at 2400MHz CL10 at 1.65V. Seems tweeking everything can get you quite far.

Thing is, my temps suck. No other way to put it. Running 10 cycles of x265 resulted in temps over 80C on average. Max was like 85C. I hope it's due to the troubles I'm having with my cooler, because if it's due to the raised IO and SA voltages, it sucks. I think it's a combination of both, though. Any ideas are welcome. smile.gif

Now, in case anyone can chime in here. I have a problem with my Corsair H110. I wanted to remove it to change the TIM (It's some 2-years old MX4 that's done the job ok, but I have some Kryonaut, so I want to use that), but one of the screws just wouldn't unscrew. Turns out the standoff that holds the screw onto the backplate is loose and it's spinning as I try to unscrew the screw. Nothing I've tried so far works. I can't hold it down, I can't force it, I can't stabilize it with pliers, nothing. The others are fine, it's just the top right one that went crazy. I'm thinking about glueing it on the backplate so that I can at least remove the thing and see where it goes from there.

Worst thing is, there must be air bubbles between the block and IHS and that's what caused my temps to rise. Removing 3 of the 4 screws led to the block hanging from that one screw, so air could get in problem. At least it didn't damange anything, knock on wood... mad.gif

Sorry about what happened to you, man! One time something similar happened to me but with a small plier I managed to resolve it. Your best bet is to post on the [Official] Corsair Hydro Series Club and mention Corsair_Joseph.

1.305V for 4.8 GHz is pretty nice! Here's a run from today, using my per-core OC:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Ambient (room) temp = 30C (Air Condition OFF)
Silent Fan profile set, in the BIOS

Edited by LostParticle - 7/26/16 at 8:31am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K ASRock Z97 OC Formula; ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO; G... Gigabyte GV-N66TOC-2GD G.SKILL F3-1866C8D-16GTX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB Samsung 840 PRO 128GB Plextor PX-128M5S 128GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
WD 1002FAEX 1TB Caviar BLACK (in enclosure) Noctua NH-D15S Corsair H110 2 x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000/3000 PWM ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Case Fan: 1 x Noctua NF-A14 PWM (rear, exhaust) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM (front, intake) Case Fans: 2 x Noctua NF-S12A FLX (front, intake) Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 TP KDE Neon Developer Stable HP ZR2440w Dell U2311H 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard 4000 Corsair AX760 (Platinum); EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Corsair Air 540 Asus Xonar Essence STX II 
AudioOtherOther
Sennheiser HD 600 Aquaero 5LT  THRUSTMASTER GPX LIGHTBACK FERRARI F1 GAMEPAD 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K ASRock Z97 OC Formula; ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO; G... Gigabyte GV-N66TOC-2GD G.SKILL F3-1866C8D-16GTX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB Samsung 840 PRO 128GB Plextor PX-128M5S 128GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
WD 1002FAEX 1TB Caviar BLACK (in enclosure) Noctua NH-D15S Corsair H110 2 x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000/3000 PWM ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Case Fan: 1 x Noctua NF-A14 PWM (rear, exhaust) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM (front, intake) Case Fans: 2 x Noctua NF-S12A FLX (front, intake) Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 TP KDE Neon Developer Stable HP ZR2440w Dell U2311H 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard 4000 Corsair AX760 (Platinum); EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 Corsair Air 540 Asus Xonar Essence STX II 
AudioOtherOther
Sennheiser HD 600 Aquaero 5LT  THRUSTMASTER GPX LIGHTBACK FERRARI F1 GAMEPAD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #21050 of 22487
Quote:
Originally Posted by LostParticle View Post

Sorry about what happened to you, man! One time something similar happened to me but with a small plier I managed to resolve it. Your best bet is to post on the [Official] Corsair Hydro Series Club and mention Corsair_Joseph.

1.305V for 4.8 GHz is pretty nice! Here's a run from today, using my per-core OC:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Ambient (room) temp = 30C (Air Condition OFF)
Silent Fan profile set, in the BIOS

Thanks dude! I will definitely try asking there later! You the man! biggrin.gif

Turns out my CPU is pretty good actually. It's not golden, but it's better than average I guess. My IMC on the other hand is probably crap, so adding VCCSA and IO voltages led to the drastic decrease in VCore needed. I'm quite happy with it. May switch back to 1.26V and 4.7GHz until I resolve all issues with my cooling, but at 1.3V practically I would consider my 4.8GHz safe for 24/7 use. I may try increasing my cache multi at this point, purely for seeing the number and the increased benchies. I don't want to deviate too far from 1.2V tho.

PS : To everyone switching between adaptive and manual voltages and having problems, try rebooting once after switching and booting. I've found that if I switch from manual to adaptive (Don't know about the opposite yet) or if I change VCCIN without rebooting, it'll crash. Doesn't matter if I use stable settings, it'll crash after a while. Rebooting fixes this issue. I had found a guide mentioning this (Can try searching for it if anyone wants it, but I don't think it's this relevant) as a peculiarity of Haswell's FIVR. It may seem like a waste of time, rebooting after such changes, but it saved me a lot of frustration when testing. Having known stable settings crash is scary sometimes if you don't know this. smile.gif

Finally, not all CPUs will behave the same, so this may or may not apply to you, but it's worth knowing. As always, YMMV.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel CPUs
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › The Intel Devil's Canyon Owners Club