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That's what I do and I get temps around low 80s in the aida64 and prime95 (small fft).
Personally I think that's too high cosidering the voltage and the cooler. I've cleaned the thermal paste and reapplied the CPU cooler three times and the same thing happens.

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Here are the results from a test I have just run:

Tool: x264 Stability Test v2.06 appox. 10 minutes
Ambient (room) temp = 29.5 C
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
Cooling: Corsair H110 with 2 x Noctua NF-A14 IPPC-3000 mounted at the front panel of my Corsair Air 540, pushing air into the chassis. No other fans are mounted on my system.
Fan profile in the BIOS: Silent


    
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The voltage part of the system it's on par with yours. But on the cooling side my temps skyrocket in the 80s. If I used your voltage I would probably get 95 on the core. I think something is wrong with this cooler because previously I had a Scythe Mugen MAX and the temps were around the same.
post #21133 of 22487
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The voltage part of the system it's on par with yours. But on the cooling side my temps skyrocket in the 80s. If I used your voltage I would probably get 95 on the core. I think something is wrong with this cooler because previously I had a Scythe Mugen MAX and the temps were around the same.

It might be that there's something wrong with your cooler but, first of all, you have to post some screenshots from your favorite monitoring tool, while running your favorite stress test. HWiNFO64 is by far the best monitoring tool right now, so, as suggested it, download it and customize it, a bit. What TIM are you using and when was the tube opened? Are using the dot method? What are your system's (chassis) fans? The air coolers require a (very) good air feed. What is your ambient (room) temperature right now?

Please, post screenshots.

Thank you.
    
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Here it goes.
1. x265 Stability Test with HWiNFO64

2. I use ARCTIC AC MX-4. The tube was opened about 10 months ago.
3. I am using the dot method.
4. I have 4 fans. 1x200 mm front intake; 1x120 mm intake, mounted on the HDD cage; 1x 140 mm top intake; 1x140 mm rear exhaust.



5. My ambient teperature is 26 degrees C.
post #21135 of 22487
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Here it goes.

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1. x265 Stability Test with HWiNFO64

2. I use ARCTIC AC MX-4. The tube was opened about 10 months ago.
3. I am using the dot method.
4. I have 4 fans. 1x200 mm front intake; 1x120 mm intake, mounted on the HDD cage; 1x 140 mm top intake; 1x140 mm rear exhaust.



5. My ambient teperature is 26 degrees C.


Okay, a couple of things:

- Is this the x264 Stability Test v2.06 ? Sorry, I do not recognize it. If it is not, get it from here.

- For your CPU cooler's issue it would be best to post your inquiries on Ways to Better Cooling; Airflow, Cooler & Fan Data... but please make sure to either post your complete system or, much better, add it correctly in your sig_rig. Copy the photos your posted here, too!

- Expand HWiNFO64 to three tables so that all the important values will be visible. You should test it a bit yourself, but I can right now tell you that you can/should remove the following: VIN14, AUXTIN2, AUXTIN3, and most probably Auxiliary. Just right-click on these and select Hide.

After you will resolve your CPU temp issue we can talk about Adaptive.

Good Luck smile.gif

PS: I trust that you are cleaning thoroughly, like with coffee filters and isopropyl alcohol
Edited by LostParticle - 8/28/16 at 3:55am
    
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I'm currently running the asrock z97 extreme 6 and a 4790k. I did find that my memory could accept a better overclock with the latest bios but my cpu overclocking was mostly unchanged to maybe slightly worse. Or it could be I just have to add a little more voltage to my cpu to get my memory overclock stable. Not sure which it is. I run 1.325 for 4.8 1.385 for 4.9 and 4.65 for 5.0. 1.385 and 4.9 is within my thermal limit for Prime95 small at 80 Celsius with ambient at about 28 Celsius. I'm on custom water though. The settings that were given are pretty similar to mine. A couple of differences but nothing that should cause such a increase in temp. I do have one core that is 8 to 10 degrees warmer than the other cores and has been holding me back since I got the chip. I've re-timed with multiple compounds. I'm currently using CLU. It's also made worse by having previously gunked up my water-block with plasticizer. I've since cleaned it but I may be a couple of degrees off from it's best. I used to be stable at a lower voltage on 4.8, but I just redid stability testing and I need between 1.315 and 1.325 for 4.8. I didn't narrow it down further since my cooler keeps it at about 60 in prime95 blend for that and 70 for small fft. Again, I'm on custom water with a delid. I've never had it on air. I had a terrible thermal paste job under the heat spreader. I gained ~twenty degrees doing the delid. .
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I see that you've gone the whole way with the cooling and the deliding. Great job. Regarding the temperature of one of the core, running hotter, I have a core running 8-10 degrees colder than the other three.
I usually run my memory at 2400 MHz 11-13-14-32 but I dropped down to stock just for testing. The summary that I understood from all the reading and all the help you guys have given me is that my board and my CPU are okay, only the CPU cooler is not that potent. I thought I can squeeze more performance out of it, I looked on the experiences of people having I7 4790k and the Noctua NH-D15 and it's similar. I use my PC for 3D rendering and doind that the temps hover around 72 degrees which I think is great.
post #21138 of 22487
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- For your CPU cooler's issue it would be best to post your inquiries on Ways to Better Cooling; Airflow, Cooler & Fan Data... but please make sure to either post your complete system or, much better, add it correctly in your sig_rig. Copy the photos your posted here, too!

LOL He started on the air cooling thread. I suggested this thread for the OC questions as I don't know the ASRock bios and I thought he would get better traction on this thread with voltage related questions.
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doh. 1.465 for 5.0 lol I just can't seem to type that number.

I run 2200 10-11-11-24 1t at 1.65v. I have to go to 13-13-13 to get 2400 and I get worse 3dmark scores when I do by a half percent. So I stuck with 2200. Running G Skill Trident X 1600 that have stock timing of 7-8-8-24-1t on spd. On the old BIOS I wasn't stable at 10-11-11 at 2200 and I had to go to 2t or 11-11-11 for 1t. at 1.65. Not sure. I also am running a newer Extreme6. I mistakenly changed the board thinking distressed cpu pins from uneven delid pressure wear caused an issue that was actually me stupidly plugging in my 8pin into a pci express header on my powersupply. Too few 12vlolt lines to the 8pin. I haven't bothered putting my old board back in as everything is working. With my cooling I can't actually get to my powersupply connectors without taking the whole loop apart. Anyway, with the new board I need slightly more volts for stability, on the cpu but memory is stable with tighter timings. I don't know if it's the board revision or the BIOS revision. The BIOS pre-sets for 4.7 GHZ overclock load way too much voltage for the cpu and for the cache, but rest of the settings it loads aren't terrible. drop the multiplier and the voltage and set the cache override voltage last after you get everything else stable. You can micromanage some of the settings and voltages but it's not going to effect your cpu temp much if that's what's holding you back. The v-droop preset is pretty aggressive for the max overclock settings and may allow you to use a lower stable voltage but you will get a pretty big spike above your set voltage at times. It's probably out of Intel spec at that setting, but it helped me get lower voltages if I remember correctly. I haven't run without it set to it's most aggressive setting in a year and a half.

I've never air cooled with this board, so I've never been temp limited. I'm limited by safe voltage settings for my cpu. 5.0 is aida64 extreme fpu stable but not prime95 small fft stable. prime95 blend is stable. When I hit 91 92 my cpu destabilizes in prime95 small fft. Anything over 90 and things do seem to go awry. In the wintertime I can get prime 95 small fft stable on 5.0, but only with my window open. Otherwise I get maybe a half hour before my water raises a degree or two and I destabilize. 2 degrees F is the most my water goes up under just cpu load. I had a script running to shut my system down if it reaches over 90, but I quit running it a while ago. I guess I started to trust that my pump isn't going to fail suddenly.

Most people don't use the prime95 small fft for this chip, I still do because I can with my cooling and I find once in a blue moon I still end up with problems if I aim for stable on the blend rather than the small. I use aida64 extreme fpu test as well, but most people say that doesn't play well with Haswell. Works fine for me under water. I think finfet just likes water. .

Cache overclocks only add a degrees or two to your overclock but also a very small increase in performance. At 4.9/4.6 uncore I get almost as high a 3dmark cpu score as I do at 5.0/4.0. So the benefit is less than the benefit from an extra 100mhz on the core, but it depends on your workload. I don't remember the exact percentage, but the cpu score was around 14000 with 4.9/4.6 and also about 14000 cpu score at 5.0/4.0. If you end up running 4.5 because of temps, you may want to try 4.5 uncore, which is very doable with this chip, and see what that does to your performance in your chosen workload. You wont go up to the temps of 4.6 but you may get enough benefit that you'll almost be there on performance. Or it will have almost zero effect on your performance in your chosen workload but still only give you 1 or 2 extra degrees most likely. For most workloads it doesn't do much, but if your trying to eek out that last 1 or 2 bits of performance it's worth messing with.

Be careful, the other day I accidentally set 2.0 volts on my cache when I meant 1.2. Don't do that, I can no longer get 5.1 to be 3dmark stable for suicide runs after doing that. Heaven and Valley are the best I can do at 5.1 now. So I degraded my chip a bit. I'm not going to do another suicide run until the next driver version for my gpu anyway.
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FWIW. I verified my overclock with the latest Haswell microcode 21H
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