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Originally Posted by LostParticle View Post

An example:

Run your favorite stress test for 30 - 60 seconds and check out the value Power (POUT) with your current version of HWiNFO64 and then with the latest beta, v5.37-2985.


Personally, I always update all my programs (and drivers) to the latest available stable versions. Never faced any issue with anything. I trust HWiNFO64 so when it comes to it I'm always getting the latest beta. Just a suggestion.

@juniordnz, I'm having the same thing with my Bus Clock, and after asking the developer in the [OFFICIAL] HWiNFO/32/64 Thread, long time ago, he gave me the answer. I do not care about this matter so I do not remember his answer. If I recall correctly, it has to do with these settings:



Try them out, if you want, or search that thread.

Just went to that thread and found your post and martin's answer. Seems pretty straightforward to me. But one thing I still don't get is that it's not only bclk that spikes, the core clock also spikes with it. I have my i5 set at 4500mhz, but when the bclk spikes, the clock goes up aswell. So that should be ignored also, both readings are incorrect? Maybe if I disable that "Bus Clock Based" option, idk...

Anyway, thanks a lot for your answer. That explains a lot! thumb.gif
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Just went to that thread and found your post and martin's answer. Seems pretty straightforward to me. But one thing I still don't get is that it's not only bclk that spikes, the core clock also spikes with it. I have my i5 set at 4500mhz, but when the bclk spikes, the clock goes up aswell. So that should be ignored also, both readings are incorrect? Maybe if I disable that "Bus Clock Based" option, idk...

Anyway, thanks a lot for your answer. That explains a lot! thumb.gif

You are welcome, and I understand you...

Have a look at my HWiNFO64, the latest beta I am using, screenshot taken a couple of minutes ago:



My overclock is: cores x 47, cache x44. (Also, you see a glitch of the latest beta, the Average of the on-demand clock modulation turns red, and then back to black, it will be fixed in the next build).

I have learned to not pay attention to it. If you'd like to clarify this matter further you should probably ask Martin.

PS: I could disable that setting, so that my Bus Clock would be read only once, when HWiNFO starts, but I prefer it to be monitored all the time (at the default intervals set by the program).
Edited by LostParticle - 10/7/16 at 4:57am
    
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Originally Posted by LostParticle View Post

You are welcome, and I understand you...

Have a look at my HWiNFO64, the latest beta I am using, screenshot taken a couple of minutes ago:



My overclock is: cores x 47, cache x44. (Also, you see a glitch of the latest beta, the Average of the on-demand clock modulation turns red, and then back to black, it will be fixed in the next build).

I have learned to not pay attention to it. If you'd like to clarify this matter further you should probably ask Martin.

PS: I could disable that setting, so that my Bus Clock would be read only once, when HWiNFO starts, but I prefer it to be monitored all the time (at the default intervals set by the program).

Take a look at this guy's post on the other thread. He seems to have narrowed down the culprit for that bclk spike.
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Originally Posted by JySzE View Post

So i have narrowed it down.

Saw that my CPU bus speed : DRAM speed ratio mode was set to auto thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Changed it to 100:100

I tried these following programs to check the BCLK after changing the "CPU bus speed : DRAM speed ratio"

CPU-Z,OCCT,Argus Monitor, HWiNFO64. HW Monitor, CoreTemp, Real Temp, Asus Suite.

CPU-Z:99.98

OCCT: 99.98

Argus: 99.98- but increased to 106 BCLK when opened Cpu-z (Typical software confliction i closed cpu-z and restarted Argus and it showed 100 for 30 min straight on load and idle)

HWiNFO64: 99.98

HW Monitor: 99.98

CoreTemp: 99.98

Real Temp: 99.98

Asus Suite: 99.98

Upped my BCLK to 100.1 And got 100.10~.12

Seems to have fixed the problem when your post gave me a clue to search for a auto clocking for the BCLK. Thanks thumb.gif
Clue (Click to show)

Bios Setting (Click to show)

I really don't get why if it is a glitch, the core clock also changes. If it were a mere bclk glitch, the pci clock wouldn't change, the core clock would read the correct value. I'm still confused, probably gonna ask martin about it...
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Take a look at this guy's post on the other thread. He seems to have narrowed down the culprit for that bclk spike.

Thank you, I have looked in my ASRock Z97 OC Formula BIOS but I cannot find anything like "CPU bus speed : DRAM speed ratio".

In my BIOS I have set the following:

BCLK Boot Frequency = 100 (I have set this just today, after our discussion, and I will check how it will go in the next few hours. Until today it was on Auto)
BCLK Eventual Frequency = 100
BCLK/PCIE Ratio = 1 (I have set this just today, after our discussion, and I will check how it will go in the next few hours. Until today it was on Auto)



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I really don't get why if it is a glitch, the core clock also changes. If it were a mere bclk glitch, the pci clock wouldn't change, the core clock would read the correct value. I'm still confused, probably gonna ask martin about it...

Yeah, I think it would be better if you'd ask him because here we are off-topic smile.gif
    
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Originally Posted by LostParticle View Post

An example:

Run your favorite stress test for 30 - 60 seconds and check out the value Power (POUT) with your current version of HWiNFO64 and then with the latest beta, v5.37-2985.

I don't get your point. Whatever it is will be in a stable release, then what? Anyhow, you will have to explain it to me because my MB does not report POUT.
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Originally Posted by LostParticle View Post

Thank you, I have looked in my ASRock Z97 OC Formula BIOS but I cannot find anything like "CPU bus speed : DRAM speed ratio".

In my BIOS I have set the following:

BCLK Boot Frequency = 100 (I have set this just today, after our discussion, and I will check how it will go in the next few hours. Until today it was on Auto)
BCLK Eventual Frequency = 100
BCLK/PCIE Ratio = 1 (I have set this just today, after our discussion, and I will check how it will go in the next few hours. Until today it was on Auto)
Yeah, I think it would be better if you'd ask him because here we are off-topic smile.gif

Yeah, I just searched through my whole BIOS and found nothing close to FSB:DRAM ratio. I also set BCLK/PCI to 1 and RAM to 100 too. Nothing helped and I still get those spikes up to 103.0 BCLK and 4630mhz on core.

It would be nice if we could get a reading of that BCLK and core clock on the exact moment the computer crashes.
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I don't get your point. Whatever it is will be in a stable release, then what? Anyhow, you will have to explain it to me because my MB does not report POUT.

I just trust HWiNFO so I always get the latest beta, as I already said. Regarding Power (POUT) start here.

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Originally Posted by juniordnz View Post

Yeah, I just searched through my whole BIOS and found nothing close to FSB:DRAM ratio. I also set BCLK/PCI to 1 and RAM to 100 too. Nothing helped and I still get those spikes up to 103.0 BCLK and 4630mhz on core.

It would be nice if we could get a reading of that BCLK and core clock on the exact moment the computer crashes.

I'm running it for just one hour, so far, however my BCLK and PCIe clocks are stable at 100.0 MHz and my core & cache clocks are fixed, as well. I have been watching a movie, I have not run any stress test, might do that later. What do you mean with "...and RAM to 100"? How is this setting exactly called?

UPDATE: Okay, so it seems that this issue has NOT been corrected on my system, either. For approx. three and a half hours now I've performed various everyday tasks on my computer, including playing a game a bit, as well as running 5 loops of the x264 v2.06. My Bus and PCIe clocks, as well as my core and uncore clocks were stable. Just now my Bus jumped to 102 MHz, my Core# clock(s) to 4.795 MHz, and my Uncore to 4.489 MHz. My oc, as I said, is x47 and x44, cache.

So... I am forgetting this "problem", I do not care about it anymore, as I used to. In any case, I am not facing ANY kind of instability or any other issue in my two OC - profiles.

Thank you.
Edited by LostParticle - 10/7/16 at 9:43am
    
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guys, can we say a 4690K that does x45/1.200V a golden chip?

This is my 2nd i5 4690K, bought last year new (prior to date in screenie).

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Even though VID in HWiNFO is ~1.040V in UEFI it was 1.010V, I found lower down VID set in UEFI resulted in a little higher in HWiNFO. I set OC profiles for chip from starting off with 1.000V in UEFI. Below list is CPU clock/+V to 1.000V/+V over last profile)

4.4 +0.010v
4.5 +0.045v +0.035v
4.6 +0.095v +0.050v
4.7 +0.140v +0.055v
4.8 +0.210v +0.070v
4.9 +0.255v +0.045v

The 4.9GHz CPU 4.4GHz cache was tested 48 loops (~8hrs) x264, 4hrs RB Stress mode, ~17hrs f@h, all one after the other, there was an hour or so of gaming between RB & f@h, so rig had been up ~32hrs continuous biggrin.gif . Here's the music video to 5.198GHz 2nd Validation (1st in sig) biggrin.gif.

I've had my mobo since Q1 15, had 2 differing chips, plenty of differing UEFI versions. I also had the BCLK very occasionally increase and CPU clock as a result. For example the profiles above, were a lot of hours testing but only one or two test results had the anomaly, IIRC ~+1MHz (can check if you like). In that scenario as i) I got no crash ii) happened so rarely and only very small increase I regarded it as just an error or "one of those things".

Personally I wouldn't set HWiNFO to only view the BCLK at launch and not poll it later. A setting in ROM which can make BCLK fluctuate on my mobo is "Spread Spectrum", this is EMI related (google for info), if you have something similar in UEFI switch it off and you should get tighter BCLK as I did afterwards (ie +/- 1MHz from 100MHz rarely).
Edited by gupsterg - 10/10/16 at 4:27pm
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I just trust HWiNFO so I always get the latest beta, as I already said. Regarding Power (POUT) start here.
I'm running it for just one hour, so far, however my BCLK and PCIe clocks are stable at 100.0 MHz and my core & cache clocks are fixed, as well. I have been watching a movie, I have not run any stress test, might do that later. What do you mean with "...and RAM to 100"? How is this setting exactly called?

UPDATE: Okay, so it seems that this issue has NOT been corrected on my system, either. For approx. three and a half hours now I've performed various everyday tasks on my computer, including playing a game a bit, as well as running 5 loops of the x264 v2.06. My Bus and PCIe clocks, as well as my core and uncore clocks were stable. Just now my Bus jumped to 102 MHz, my Core# clock(s) to 4.795 MHz, and my Uncore to 4.489 MHz. My oc, as I said, is x47 and x44, cache.

So... I am forgetting this "problem", I do not care about it anymore, as I used to. In any case, I am not facing ANY kind of instability or any other issue in my two OC - profiles.

Thank you.

I'm not facing any instability either. What bothers is the tought that MAYBE I'm running a voltage much higher than necessary for x45 to support theses sudden spikes to 4630mhz. Idk anymore, frankly...
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Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post

This is my 2nd i5 4690K, bought last year new (prior to date in screenie).

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Even though VID in HWiNFO is ~1.040V in UEFI it was 1.010V, I found lower down VID set in UEFI resulted in a little higher in HWiNFO. I set OC profiles for chip from starting off with 1.000V in UEFI. Below list is CPU clock/+V to 1.000V/+V over last profile)

4.4 +0.010v
4.5 +0.045v +0.035v
4.6 +0.095v +0.050v
4.7 +0.140v +0.055v
4.8 +0.210v +0.070v
4.9 +0.255v +0.045v

The 4.9GHz CPU 4.4GHz cache was tested 48 loops (~8hrs) x264, 4hrs RB Stress mode, ~17hrs f@h, all one after the other, there was an hour or so of gaming between RB & f@h, so rig had been up ~32hrs continuous biggrin.gif . Here's the music video to 5.198GHz 2nd Validation (1st in sig) biggrin.gif.

I've had my mobo since Q1 15, had 2 differing chips, plenty of differing UEFI versions. I also had the BCLK very occasionally increase and CPU clock as a result. For example the profiles above, were a lot of hours testing but only one or two test results had the anomaly, IIRC ~+1MHz (can check if you like). In that scenario as i) I got no crash ii) happened so rarely and only very small increase I regarded it as just an error or "one of those things".

Personally I wouldn't set HWiNFO to only view the BCLK at launch and not poll it later. A setting in ROM which can make BCLK fluctuate on my mobo is "Spread Spectrum", this is EMI related (google for info), if you have something similar in UEFI switch it off and you should get tighter BCLK as I did afterwards (ie +/- 1MHz from 100MHz rarely).

Geez, that's a beast of a chip! Congratz! Makes mine looks like a piece of garbage hahaha unfortunately, I've already set spread spectrum off and the problem persists frown.gif
Edited by juniordnz - 10/11/16 at 5:07am
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I'm not facing any instability either. What bothers is the tought that MAYBE I'm running a voltage much higher than necessary for x45 to support theses sudden spikes to 4630mhz. Idk anymore, frankly...

The best thing I can think to suggest you, is to ask Martin in the official HWiNFO thread, after posting a screenshot using the latest beta of HWiNFO64. Keep the program at its default state, do not hide, rename or reorder any values. Make sure all the values that interest you, and all the labels, are fully and clearly visible. If your system is not fully described in your signature, post a complete report of all your components, as well.

Good Luck smile.gifthumb.gif
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