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Originally Posted by GHADthc View Post

Ah okay..thats a misconception out of the way then! The third fan is a bit more for aesthetics than anything, if it improves the temps even ever so slightly, thats an added bonus..or I could possibly repurpose the third one for something else entirely..as for the Noctua fans, what you have said is the train of thought I had, they should be able to feed the 2x SP120`s on the GPU and the 2-3 TY143`s properly...thats the plan at least.
Indeed!
I don't know about the Nocs 'be able to feed .. properly', but but they should be able to do it better than the AP181.

Keep in mind whatever fans are in the front need the panel separating their intake and exhaust sides nees ot be solid / no holes / sealed so the air they are pushing into case cannot leak back out the front. Same applies for any other holes in case that might let cool air out that they are trying to supply to GPU and CPU. wink.gif
post #512 of 1058
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Indeed!
I don't know about the Nocs 'be able to feed .. properly', but but they should be able to do it better than the AP181.

Keep in mind whatever fans are in the front need the panel separating their intake and exhaust sides nees ot be solid / no holes / sealed so the air they are pushing into case cannot leak back out the front. Same applies for any other holes in case that might let cool air out that they are trying to supply to GPU and CPU. wink.gif
If I'm understanding you correctly, I had considered this, and planned for when I mod the front of the case, to just be a panel with two holes for the fans to intake from, no excess, the rest will be blocked off.
post #513 of 1058
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If I'm understanding you correctly, I had considered this, and planned for when I mod the front of the case, to just be a panel with two holes for the fans to intake from, no excess, the rest will be blocked off.
Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. You could use zip-ties to attach the 2x 120mm fans together and mount them to case front frame top and bottom with cardboard on each side of fans to cover the 180mm fan hole.

Just brain-storming here, so may not be a good idea;
Have you considered using 4x 92mm fans? For example NF-A9PWM are 2000rpm 78.9 m3/h, 2.28 mm H2O & 22.8 dB(A). 4x of them increases sound level by 6 dB so a total rated sound level of 28.8 dB and 315.6 m3/h (185.6 cfm)

NF-F12 iPPC-3000 PWM . 120x120x25mm . 3000rpm . 43,5dB . 186,7m3/h . 7,63mm H2O . 4-Pin PWM
Let's assume you end up running around 2000 rpm with the 3000 rpm fans.
NF-F12 iPPC-2000 PWM . 120x120x25mm . 2000rpm . 29,7dB . 121,8m3/h . 3,94mm H2O 4-Pin PWM . 2x 121,8 = 243.6m3/h . 32.7dB
NF-A9 PWM . . . . . . . . . . 92x92x25mm . . 2000rpom . 22,8dB . 78,9m3/h . . 2,28mm H2O 4-Pin PWM . . 4x 78.9 = 315.6m3/h . 28.8dB

Sound level is not much (3.8dB and 3dB change is what it takes for most of use to hear a difference.)
Total rated airflow is up, but pressure rating is down by 1.66mm .. Probably not much difference in overall airflow.

So much for that brainstorm. tongue.gif
post #514 of 1058
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. You could use zip-ties to attach the 2x 120mm fans together and mount them to case front frame top and bottom with cardboard on each side of fans to cover the 180mm fan hole.

Just brain-storming here, so may not be a good idea;
Have you considered using 4x 92mm fans? For example NF-A9PWM are 2000rpm 78.9 m3/h, 2.28 mm H2O & 22.8 dB(A). 4x of them increases sound level by 6 dB so a total rated sound level of 28.8 dB and 315.6 m3/h (185.6 cfm)

NF-F12 iPPC-3000 PWM . 120x120x25mm . 3000rpm . 43,5dB . 186,7m3/h . 7,63mm H2O . 4-Pin PWM
Let's assume you end up running around 2000 rpm with the 3000 rpm fans.
NF-F12 iPPC-2000 PWM . 120x120x25mm . 2000rpm . 29,7dB . 121,8m3/h . 3,94mm H2O 4-Pin PWM . 2x 121,8 = 243.6m3/h . 32.7dB
NF-A9 PWM . . . . . . . . . . 92x92x25mm . . 2000rpom . 22,8dB . 78,9m3/h . . 2,28mm H2O 4-Pin PWM . . 4x 78.9 = 315.6m3/h . 28.8dB

Sound level is not much (3.8dB and 3dB change is what it takes for most of use to hear a difference.)
Total rated airflow is up, but pressure rating is down by 1.66mm .. Probably not much difference in overall airflow.

So much for that brainstorm. tongue.gif
I'm going to use a sheet of steel and have it powder coated black, I was going to rivet it in place and screw the fans in place...wait so if I used 4 of those 92mm fans at full speed they would only equate to 28.8db? But produce 185.6 cfm? Hmmmmm thinking.gif
post #515 of 1058
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buttkick.gif WAKE UP!! READ WHAT I POSTED! biggrin.gif

SPECIFICATIONS ARE RATED NOT ACTUAL FLOW!

..steps back counting to 10 & takes deep breath..
helpinghand.gif sometimes I get a littel over tense with too much coffee blushsmiley.gif
I gathered neither of the fan options will actually produce the flow they are specced for, but do you think its really worth entertaining the idea of 4x 92mm fans? (One thing that bothers me is the colour of the old Noctua fans, but I can't deny that they have pleasant sound signatures).
post #516 of 1058
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Originally Posted by GHADthc View Post

I gathered neither of the fan options will actually produce the flow they are specced for, but do you think its really worth entertaining the idea of 4x 92mm fans? (One thing that bothers me is the colour of the old Noctua fans, but I can't deny that they have pleasant sound signatures).
My last sentence after the brainstorm means it doesn't matter.

Both fan setups are about the same.
Really, it's your case that is the problem. tongue.gif
Or .. maybe .. it's the high demands of your big GPU cooler and mega-flow TY-143 fans. tongue.gif
post #517 of 1058
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My last sentence after the brainstorm means it doesn't matter.

Both fan setups are about the same.
Really, it's your case that is the problem. tongue.gif
Or .. maybe .. it's the high demands of your big GPU cooler and mega-flow TY-143 fans. tongue.gif
Fair enough, I think it will be less of a hassle to just go with the two 120mm fans, will look a bit nicer too (not that its really top priority, but I've mucked around with colour matching other items, and sleeving, so I may as well go the whole hog).

The case is pretty impressive for what it is in my opinion, I have just crammed it full to the brim with heat sinks, and am getting to the point of superfluous incremental upgrades/additions, which is most likely more trouble than its worth..but why not? I am having a bit of fun mucking around with air cooling, since I've been on water cooling for the last couple of years (and intend to get back into it soon).
post #518 of 1058
Actually....after closer inspection of the dimensions I have to work with, 2x 120mm will not fit, because the layout of the case is quite a bit different from the PS07...I think I will have to put your 4x 92mm fans idea into action after all! It will certainly be different, that's for sure ha hah! tongue.gif
post #519 of 1058
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Originally Posted by GHADthc View Post

Actually....after closer inspection of the dimensions I have to work with, 2x 120mm will not fit, because the layout of the case is quite a bit different from the PS07...I think I will have to put your 4x 92mm fans idea into action after all! It will certainly be different, that's for sure ha hah! tongue.gif
Have you thought of trying the TY-143 a an intake?
It would be rather simple to cut a piece of cardbaord to replace the 181 with a hole for your 3rd TY-143 to see what it does.

It's all fun and games for some of us .. that is until wife or money runs out .. or both. biggrin.gif
post #520 of 1058
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Originally Posted by LostParticle View Post

Thanks, doyll & Loladinas, I could use my Aquaero 5 LT but I finally ended up connecting one of the IPPC-3000 to my Chassis_1, 4-pin PWM, fan header. The other one is connected to my CPU_1, 4-pin fan header.


I've installed my system back into my chassis.

Corsair Air 540, ASRock Z97 OC Formula, Intel i7-4790K. I thought to try something different this time. (Just trying out a few things, it's not that I'm trying to resolve some problem here)

On the front side I mounted my Corsair H110 with two Noctua NF-A14 IPPC-3000, pushing air inside the chassis. The fans are mounted on the outside of the front panel. I closed it with the front panel grill and on the outside of it I've placed the dust filter that comes with the chassis. Thermal Grizzly Kryonout paste, small pea method.

No other fans are installed in my system. The top panel grill is not mounted.

My tests, similar to those on post #431 and post #433. "Everything" is shown in the screenshots.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)




My conclusion is that I can run my system (absolutely) fine under this configuration. Having the Corsair H110 blowing inside my chassis - and no other fans running on the system - causes no temperature rise on my GPU and SSD. The only significant temperature rise is observed on my (ASRock) motherboard but I am not sure if this isn't a mobo-specific. The VRMs of my ASRock, for example, run cooler. All these can be seen in my screenshots.


Besides stress testing it is of immense interest / importance to me how my system behaves on a regular day, when I perform all my regular tasks.

Here's a screenshot I just took today, 30 May 2016, showing this. The Averages count.

Ambient (room) temperature = 27 C
Monitoring for more than 8 hours.



Thank you.

@doyll, your comment?
Sorry, missed your post.
Looks good to me.

I don't remember what they were in other case, but wern't they similar?
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