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@doyll, I transferred my build to a new case and I am wondering if you could share some of your expertise.





CPU cooler is nh-c14s with eloop b14-ps exhausting air on top vent.



I have 2x silent wings 2 as front intake. I can have them run 100% and still silent but it seems not enough.

Should I replace them with a high static pressure fan like gentle typhoon, vardar, or venturi hp?

If ty-143 had a 120mm version, that would be great.
SLI'ing two cards that dump heat into the case is kind of a no-no. Have you tried putting in more fans for as exhaust? For example, if you have another eloop you could strap two of them to the top grill as exhausts and see if it helps at all.

EDIT: remove the two PCIE slot back covers, that'll give a bit more breathing room to your cards.

EDIT2: nevermind, I googled the case and the fans, if it's BH7 then adding another fan on top exhaust wouldn't do anything.
Edited by Loladinas - 7/7/16 at 11:24pm
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@doyll, I transferred my build to a new case and I am wondering if you could share some of your expertise.
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CPU cooler is nh-c14s with eloop b14-ps exhausting air on top vent.


I have 2x silent wings 2 as front intake. I can have them run 100% and still silent but it seems not enough.

Should I replace them with a high static pressure fan like gentle typhoon, vardar, or venturi hp?

If ty-143 had a 120mm version, that would be great.
Is this CaseLabs BH7?

Are you monitoring GPU cooler intake temps? Especially the middle one.

Biggest potential problem I see is getting cool air to 2nd GPU. Can you move side GPU to last slot? This might give enough room between GPUs for decent flow to other GPU and it can pull air in the side of case to supply itself. This way a couple good front front intakes might be able to flow enough air to supply other GPU and CPU coolers.

Of the 3x 120mm fans you listed I have only use the GTs, but have heard good things about Vardar and Venturi. I think I would go with the Darkside GT 2150 PWM, not because it is any better but because it has a long history of quality performance and low noise.
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SLI'ing two cards that dump heat into the case is kind of a no-no. Have you tried putting in more fans for as exhaust? For example, if you have another eloop you could strap two of them to the top grill as exhausts and see if it helps at all.

EDIT: remove the two PCIE slot back covers, that'll give a bit more breathing room to your cards.

EDIT2: nevermind, I googled the case and the fans, if it's BH7 then adding another fan on top exhaust wouldn't do anything.

I forgot to remove the pci covers, they are solid too so no breather. the 80mm silent wings are just "ghetto mounted" to help a little bit. OP of white raptor build log has 980ti SC in SLI but has different fans, gets 65 tops. But then again, i'm in AZ so it's always hot.
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Is this CaseLabs BH7?

Are you monitoring GPU cooler intake temps? Especially the middle one.

Biggest potential problem I see is getting cool air to 2nd GPU. Can you move side GPU to last slot? This might give enough room between GPUs for decent flow to other GPU and it can pull air in the side of case to supply itself. This way a couple good front front intakes might be able to flow enough air to supply other GPU and CPU coolers.

Of the 3x 120mm fans you listed I have only use the GTs, but have heard good things about Vardar and Venturi. I think I would go with the Darkside GT 2150 PWM, not because it is any better but because it has a long history of quality performance and low noise.

Yes, it's the bullet bh7. I have both intake SW2 in 100% and it helped idle temps by a lot. my idle temps were 50-55 in "performance" template of the GRID+ v2 fan controller.. with 100%, idle is now 38-44. now, when i start putting load into it is where i have an issue. Dont get me wrong, SW2 are very quiet, even in 100%. But this seems like a static pressure environment since its a tight fit.

Still doing research on the fans but i'm leaning towards GT. Depending on price, availability, & color my picks are 1)GT 2)venturi 3)vardar. Also, I can't move the 2nd card, the case and mobo isn't compatible. bh7 has 7 pci slots, so wont fit. My mobo is z87, last slot is x4 and SLI don't work in x4.

Thanks to both for the suggestions and tips. I will have to do some internet "window" shopping on GTs. Last thing, GT 2150 is suggested but is GT 1850 as good?
Edited by fjordiales - 7/8/16 at 6:21am
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I forgot to remove the pci covers, they are solid too so no breather. the 80mm silent wings are just "ghetto mounted" to help a little bit. OP of white raptor build log has 980ti SC in SLI but has different fans, gets 65 tops. But then again, i'm in AZ so it's always hot.
Yes, it's the bullet bh7. I have both intake SW2 in 100% and it helped idle temps by a lot. my idle temps were 50-55 in "performance" template of the GRID+ v2 fan controller.. with 100%, idle is now 38-44. now, when i start putting load into it is where i have an issue. Dont get me wrong, SW2 are very quiet, even in 100%. But this seems like a static pressure environment since its a tight fit.

Still doing research on the fans but i'm leaning towards GT. Depending on price, availability, & color my picks are 1)GT 2)venturi 3)vardar. Also, I can't move the 2nd card, the case and mobo isn't compatible. bh7 has 7 pci slots, so wont fit. My mobo is z87, last slot is x4 and SLI don't work in x4.

Thanks to both for the suggestions and tips. I will have to do some internet "window" shopping on GTs. Last thing, GT 2150 is suggested but is GT 1850 as good?
Both GT 1850 and GT 2150 are same up to 1850rpm.

http://thermalbench.com/2015/11/12/darkside-gentle-typhoon-1850-pwm-120mm-fan/

The FD Venturi HP-12 is good, but does not run as fast so does not put out as much air.

http://thermalbench.com/2016/04/18/fractal-design-venturi-hp-12-120mm-pwm-fan/3/

They all make basically the same noise level in dB and same airflow in CFM at same RPM. I suggest the GT 2150 because it gives you the option of using higher speed as needed to get more airflow if needed.

Many modern motherboard have case fan headers based on GPU temp, and if not most GPUs are PWM and one of the first few topics explains how to use the PWM signal from GPU to control case fan speed. Most GPUs use PMW fans, but check yours to be sure.
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Both GT 1850 and GT 2150 are same up to 1850rpm.

http://thermalbench.com/2015/11/12/darkside-gentle-typhoon-1850-pwm-120mm-fan/

The FD Venturi HP-12 is good, but does not run as fast so does not put out as much air.

http://thermalbench.com/2016/04/18/fractal-design-venturi-hp-12-120mm-pwm-fan/3/

They all make basically the same noise level in dB and same airflow in CFM at same RPM. I suggest the GT 2150 because it gives you the option of using higher speed as needed to get more airflow if needed.

Many modern motherboard have case fan headers based on GPU temp, and if not most GPUs are PWM and one of the first few topics explains how to use the PWM signal from GPU to control case fan speed. Most GPUs use PMW fans, but check yours to be sure.

Lol, I was just looking at that site. Also the dazmode YouTube channel. My mobo has temp probe option but I already got grid+ v2. All my fans except 1 are based on GPU temp. The eloop is plugged in mobo CPU header so I don't have to deal with fan error.

Of all the YouTube videos I watched, the 2150 has that tone that's not annoying. I should've pulled the trigger when performance PCs had them. The 2150 I can find is this...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017UX9DRA/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2F13KK758WMXQ

Was hoping for all black or black/white like this...

https://modmymods.com/pre-order-modmymods-gentle-typhoon-performance-radiator-fan-2150rpm-68cfm-white-edition-d1225c12b6ap-60-w.html

Cable sleeving don't matter to me since it will be hidden when I mount them. Whit the bh7, and my cable "management", I doubt anyone will see it. Thanks for the help.
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Lol, I was just looking at that site. Also the dazmode YouTube channel. My mobo has temp probe option but I already got grid+ v2. All my fans except 1 are based on GPU temp. The eloop is plugged in mobo CPU header so I don't have to deal with fan error.

Of all the YouTube videos I watched, the 2150 has that tone that's not annoying. I should've pulled the trigger when performance PCs had them. The 2150 I can find is this...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017UX9DRA/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2F13KK758WMXQ

Was hoping for all black or black/white like this...

https://modmymods.com/pre-order-modmymods-gentle-typhoon-performance-radiator-fan-2150rpm-68cfm-white-edition-d1225c12b6ap-60-w.html

Cable sleeving don't matter to me since it will be hidden when I mount them. Whit the bh7, and my cable "management", I doubt anyone will see it. Thanks for the help.
Honestly, the white fans look nice when clean, but they collect dust, especially on their back and turn grey/tan. The grey blades hide that, and when spinning I don[t notice a fan being grey or white. Both look good.

I'm assuming you notice they are available both PWM and variable voltage models, so be sure you get the right ones for your needs. wink.gif
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Honestly, the white fans look nice when clean, but they collect dust, especially on their back and turn grey/tan. The grey blades hide that, and when spinning I don[t notice a fan being grey or white. Both look good.

I'm assuming you notice they are available both PWM and variable voltage models, so be sure you get the right ones for your needs. wink.gif

Pulled the trigger on 2150 PWM nidec grey. Went with pwm since the grid+v2 runs pwm fans in they're advertised speed. Actually, even faster.

Bq sw2 120mm are pwm and 100% is 1650rpm instead of 1500.

Nf-r8 redux pwm are 1920rpm instead of 1800.

Then my Bq sw2 80mm 3pin is at 1730rpm instead of advertised 2000. Boooo. Lol.

I'm willing to spare a bit of noise for performance. All my fans, including gpu, at 100% are not loud. Noticeable air movement but not loud especially it's on the floor next to tv stand.

Thanks for the help.
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Pulled the trigger on 2150 PWM nidec grey. Went with pwm since the grid+v2 runs pwm fans in they're advertised speed. Actually, even faster.

Bq sw2 120mm are pwm and 100% is 1650rpm instead of 1500.

Nf-r8 redux pwm are 1920rpm instead of 1800.

Then my Bq sw2 80mm 3pin is at 1730rpm instead of advertised 2000. Boooo. Lol.

I'm willing to spare a bit of noise for performance. All my fans, including gpu, at 100% are not loud. Noticeable air movement but not loud especially it's on the floor next to tv stand.

Thanks for the help.
Any time, mate. thumb.gif
Please let me know how it all works out.
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Hi Doyll (and others)!

What an awesome thread, I've almost read it all. I still have a question though; I haven't completely figured out what is wrong with my set-up. But there is something wrong! I have a Fractal Design R5 non-windowed and it's not cooling as quiet and efficient as I would like. I'm definitely doing something wrong with intake/outtake/component CFM compared to casefan CFM.

My components
Motherboard: ASrock Fatality B85
CPU: Intel i5-4690k
GPU: MSI R9 390 (cause of quite a lot of heat)
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500gb
No hard disk drives (CAGES REMOVED!)
RAM: 2 sticks of 8gb Corsair RAM
PSU: Be Quiet Darkrock Pro 11 650W (too much, I know)

As cooling I have a Dark Rock Pro 3 on my CPU, which has a 120mm and a 135mm Be Quiet Silentwings fan.

Furthermore I have 2 intake fans at the front, 1 outtake fan at the back. All 3 casefans are the stock Fractal Design Dynamic GP-14 White blades, 140mm.

Now the issue:

Inside the case it gets quite warm. And as a result my GPU gets quite hot during gaming at load. I have to set the fan curve quite steep to keep it running below 80 degrees celsius. So it usually hovers around 78, 79, 80. With quite a lot of sound production to keep it there. (the MSI r9 390 is safe to run around 90 degrees).

I feel like there's a few problems with the airflow. It feels like the temperatures inside the case rise too quickly and stay high. When I play graphically demanding games I set all the 3 casefans to max 1000 RPM. (They are still pretty darn quiet). During full load I feel a soft breeze exiting the back of the case at the outtake fan, not as much you would expect from a 140mm fan & the CPU fans behind it. For instance when I have 1 side panel open I can distinctly feel more airflow coming from one of the front intake fan than from the outtake fan. This is kind of weird because the intake fan is quite restricted by the front panel and the front air filter.

During load could this be to the high intake ratio? Could it be that the outtake fan is quite restricted by the large Dark Rock Pro 3 CPU cooler? There isn't a lot of space for air to move to the outtake fan. I think most of the hot air in the case is first sucked in through the CPU cooler and then exited straight out through the outtake fan. I don't know, the air flow behind the case just feels kind of "dead" or "stalled". Can't really explain it that well - English isn't my first language.

What do I have to do fix this airflow problem? I was thinking of the replacing all 3 casefans with Noctua AF-14 PWM fans. Just because they have a lot better static pressure ratings than the Fractal Design fans. Which will result in much better airflow?

Any tips and/or tricks are welcome. I could make a few pictures if needed. Thanks again for the great guides.
Edited by Esarus - 7/10/16 at 6:16am
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Just a thought: Have you tried removing the exhaust fan and moving it to the bottom panel (ahead of the power supply) for added air intake?

This will raise the internal case pressure as well as provide more cool outside air.

I would not be surprised if you felt the same (or more) amount of airflow coming out the back exhaust where you now have the fan mounted for exhaust.

I have a Fractal Design R5 as well and I noticed positive results from adding a fan in the bottom of the case.

And I have an r290 radeon which puts out plenty of heat.
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