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-Okay thanks for justification of the PH-TC14PE, definitely going to pick that one up.
-Ohh being fairly new to the PC world I didn't even realize that was a thing I could do with adapters. Probably better than having the small cage up high and possibly blocking some airflow
-Filters I am good for, the R5 comes with filters for the front and bottom. Would you recommend certain fans besides the Phanteks PH-140MP's or EK Vardars that I mentioned? And since there's going to be space now, do you think adding a second bottom intake would be justifiable or is it overkill?
-R5 comes with soundproofing panels already just need to put them back when I get a new cooler.

The only thing I have questions about is the removal of the AF140? If i remove it, am I essentially having no exhaust? Like besides the open back? Would that not leave the back open for dust to enter when the PC is powered off? And would it not be harder for the hot air to escape because I thought the purpose of an exhaust fan was to help move hot air out of the PC?

Yup they make nifty adapters, this one is a bit expensive, but it does have holes for 3.5 and 2.5 inch drives: Click

There are a ton more than just that one, not sure where you have to order from but I bet you can find something. Often I will use 3M Command strips to mount SSD's, they are super light and stick well where you need them to.

As far as the fans go, I don't know anything about the vadars, but I do have two Phanteks PH-140SP's in the front of my case, and they are great fans. I think the MP's are the same, but they are PMW controlled, where the SP's are not. I would definitely recommend them to a friend. And yes I would try to go for two intake fans in the front if you can fit them/spare the cash for them.

I'm not really experienced on all of the points and reasoning behind removing the exhaust fan to have the back open, someone like @doyll would have more knowledge on this, but I do know it works well in my system. I have my computer off most of the time and dust does not build up in my case through the back, and it sits just about right under a ceiling fan.

Really the point is to have a positive pressure system, where the air escapes out the back easily. It especially works well with the tower heatsinks that point towards the back and can basically dump their heat out of the rear of the case with none of it staying in. There may not even be a lot of a difference with or without the fan pulling air out of the back. But I do know that you should absolutely remove the PCIE covers, a ton of your gpu heat can get dumped out through those when they are opened up.
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Hi everyone, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I was hoping you guys could give me some advice as I upgrade the cooling system in my current rig. I need to set up the scene for you guys so please bear with me through this long post.

What I am running with: i5 4960k, ASUS 970 Strix, inside a Fractal Design R5. This can currently run Overwatch at +120 fps at approx 68°C at epic settings (I want colder if possible). I want to be able to run heavier games like BF1 on ultra without having to melt my computer. I haven't tried OC'ing because my cooling system is poop.

And speaking of that, the cooling of the system currently is the two stock case fans (GP-14s) as intake from front, a Cool Master Seidon 240 for CPU cooling with intake from the top, and an AF140 at the rear for exhaust. HERE IS A PICTURE: https://imgur.com/PnspwHE (yes I will be removing the HDD cage).

So with the upgrade I am trying to make, I want the case to run quieter (not dead silence) so I will be making the change to Air Cooling. Besides removing the unused HDD Cage from the front, I will also be probably picking up a Phanteks PH-TC14PE to replace the CM Seidon, which allows me to put the sound proofing panels back up top. I also want to stop using the R5's Fan controller to just using PWM and let the Mobo do the the work.

Now the part I am having trouble with, case fans. For intakes, I know I need to get rid of the GP-14s from the front, and based on a couple of posts by doyll I should be picking up TY-140s, however getting these to Canada is not worth the price. I am considering a few options: EK Vardars, Phanteks PH-F140MP (or 120s? not sure which is better for my case), or any other fans you guys recommend. Besides the two at the front, I would also be adding a fan in between the PSU and the small drive cage as another intake.

Finally the exhaust. I have a feeling that i will need to replace the AF140, so do you guys have any recommendations?

Thanks for the read and input!

Hi and welcome.

I have a similar setup, (see daily driver in my sig)

Four GP-14 Two front intakes, One bottom intake, one rear exhaust. ( following a lot of the recipe from @doyll )
PCI slot blanks removed.
Case raised 5/8 inch and is on a solid surface.

I've been experimenting with fan profiles in SpeedFan and ( from memory ) here is my current setup:
Bottom fan starts slow and is controlled by GPU temp . starts very slow. ramps up when GPU gets above 50C and maxes out when GPU hits 70C.
Front Fans start slow and are controlled by either either GPU or CPU temps. I don't remember the details as I've been fiddling with the slope and trying to find the right balance.
Rear exhaust fan speeds are simimlar to mramps up similar to what the CPU fans are set to. I can't remember the details but I think CPU fan speeds starts to increase at 40C and reaches 100% at 65C.
Front case fans are set to do about the same but I have them maxed out around 80% of their max RPM. I can't remember the settings as this was trial and error to get the fans fast, but not full power.

I still have three HDDs mounted in the bottom and they block some airflow, but they stay cool. One stays really cool because it is powered off smile.gif

I think my temps are pretty good but I still have some tuning. I've been going for quieter and trying to get the right balance of air movement vs noise vs heat.

edit: I forgot to mention, the 4790K is OC to 4.7Ghz and it puts out a fair amount of heat. The GTX 970 is running stock including the stock fan profile. It also creates a fair amount of heat, but I haven't tweaked it or tuned it.
Edited by Dan-H - 10/4/16 at 5:31pm
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@NQ32
The stock fans on new PH-TC14PE are PH-F140HP_II which are basically same as PH-F140MP. T
Cooler fans are rounded with 120mm fan mounting holes (105mm spacing).
PH-F140MP is square with 140mm fan holes (124mm spacing)
The PWM version of PH-F140SP is PH-F140XP.
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Hi and welcome.

I have a similar setup, (see daily driver in my sig)

Four GP-14 Two front intakes, One bottom intake, one rear exhaust. ( following a lot of the recipe from @doyll )
PCI slot blanks removed.
Case raised 5/8 inch and is on a solid surface.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I've been experimenting with fan profiles in SpeedFan and ( from memory ) here is my current setup:
Bottom fan starts slow and is controlled by GPU temp . starts very slow. ramps up when GPU gets above 50C and maxes out when GPU hits 70C.
Front Fans start slow and are controlled by either either GPU or CPU temps. I don't remember the details as I've been fiddling with the slope and trying to find the right balance.
Rear exhaust fan speeds are simimlar to mramps up similar to what the CPU fans are set to. I can't remember the details but I think CPU fan speeds starts to increase at 40C and reaches 100% at 65C.
Front case fans are set to do about the same but I have them maxed out around 80% of their max RPM. I can't remember the settings as this was trial and error to get the fans fast, but not full power.

I still have three HDDs mounted in the bottom and they block some airflow, but they stay cool. One stays really cool because it is powered off smile.gif

I think my temps are pretty good but I still have some tuning. I've been going for quieter and trying to get the right balance of air movement vs noise vs heat.

edit: I forgot to mention, the 4790K is OC to 4.7Ghz and it puts out a fair amount of heat. The GTX 970 is running stock including the stock fan profile. It also creates a fair amount of heat, but I haven't tweaked it or tuned it.
Sounds like a good setup. thumb.gif
With temps like you have there is obviously no problem with airflow, but if you ever want to know what the cooler intake air temps are compared to your 2nd post in thread might help.
Which GP-14 fans? There are Dynamic X2 GP-14 and new Dynamic GP-14. Not sure what the difference is. Both seem to be 1000rpm 3-pin 68.4cfm/0.71mmH2O.

In my experience 0.71mm H2O means little to no airflow at low rpm behind grill and filter.
PH-F140SP is 1200rpm 82.1cfm / 1.33mmH2O
TY-147A is 1300rpm 74cfm / 1.56mmH2O
PH-F140MP is 68.1cfm / 1.62mmH2O

Specifications are very misleading because the airflow rating is cfm in free airflow, fan in open space; and static pressure mmH2O is level reached when fan stops moving air, no airflow at all. As be don't use our fans in system like this, these ratings mean little. About all we can do is guess that more all will flow from a fan with a higher static pressure rating when used in appiclations with restriction. Generally a fan with a lower free airflow rating and higher static pressure rating will likey flow more air through a grill or grill and filter. Post #11 in this thread explains it.

Also, having case fans running wiht speed control so they cycle in unison with component fans so they supply the airflow needed by components regardless of system load and component fan speed makes system much quieter at low to mid load levels. CPU and GPU cooler fans have been speed controlled based on load / heat levels for donkey's years, so it only makes sense to do the same with the case fans that are supplying them with air. Post #5 is optimizing case airflow basics.
Edited by doyll - 10/5/16 at 3:56am
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Which GP-14 fans? There are Dynamic X2 GP-14 and new Dynamic GP-14. Not sure what the difference is. Both seem to be 1000rpm 3-pin 68.4cfm/0.71mmH2O.

The box says Dynamic GP-14 with the same specs as you listed. At 20% setting in speedfan, the reported speed is 357 RPM and I cannot hear them at this speed. They are less than a year old, and they are exactly this fan.

The only noise I can hear at idle is one HDD, an older WD Caviar Black. It is used as an internal backup drive and it does spin down, but I can hear it when it wakes up.

Thanks for the reminder on measuring temps at the cooler. Now that all the fans are all connected to the MoBo and managed by SpeedFan, this may be my next tuning opportunity.
Edited by Dan-H - 10/5/16 at 7:59am
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The box says Dynamic GP-14 with the same specs as you listed. At 20% setting in speedfan, the reported speed is 357 RPM and I cannot hear them at this speed. They are less than a year old, and they are exactly this fan.

The only noise I can hear at idle is one HDD, an older WD Caviar Black. It is used as an internal backup drive and it does spin down, but I can hear it when it wakes up.
Thanks for the reminder on measuring temps at the cooler. Now that all the fans are all connected to the MoBo and managed by SpeedFan, this may be my next tuning opportunity.
Oh no! Not another 'get the lowest temp possible even when system is silent and temps are well below what others think are fanstic' fanatic. poke.gif
We of this select group have special decoder rings and secret handshake too. wink.gif
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@doyll

On post #27 of this thread where you compare the Noctua NF-A14/A15 to the TY-140s, the line graph of CFM vs dBa shows that the Silverstone FHP141 v2s perform similarly to the TY-143.

Would you say that the Silverstone FHP141s would be a better front intake for my R5 (instead of the Phanteks F140MPs)? I'm planning to keep the front filter on and the front door closed 99% of the time and since these have 0.23~3.7 mmH2O I am considering buying them? Otherwise I might just pull the trigger on 4 of the Phanteks.
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@doyll

On post #27 of this thread where you compare the Noctua NF-A14/A15 to the TY-140s, the line graph of CFM vs dBa shows that the Silverstone FHP141 v2s perform similarly to the TY-143.

Would you say that the Silverstone FHP141s would be a better front intake for my R5 (instead of the Phanteks F140MPs)? I'm planning to keep the front filter on and the front door closed 99% of the time and since these have 0.23~3.7 mmH2O I am considering buying them? Otherwise I might just pull the trigger on 4 of the Phanteks.
FHP141 is good, but it's also 38mm thick, not normal 25mm, and I don't think that thick a fan will fit. TY-143 SQ wil or TY-143 modifed to be 141x141mm .. if you can stand red/orange colors. tongue.gif
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Oh no! Not another 'get the lowest temp possible even when system is silent and temps are well below what others think are fanstic' fanatic. poke.gif
We of this select group have special decoder rings and secret handshake too. wink.gif

I have warned you in the past about letting outsiders know about the decoder ring. Now we are going to have to change again.
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FHP141 is good, but it's also 38mm thick, not normal 25mm, and I don't think that thick a fan will fit.
Even with front drive cages removed? I might do that.
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TY-143 SQ wil or TY-143 modifed to be 141x141mm .. if you can stand red/orange colors.
Honestly I can, but Amazon Canada boosts prices to $88.00 CAD skull.gif
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Even with front drive cages removed? I might do that.
Honestly I can, but Amazon Canada boosts prices to $88.00 CAD skull.gif
Honesty I would not at that kind of prices. The Phanteks PHF140SP, XP or MP will do fine. I've ltos of the XP because I got 10 extra out of two water cooled Enthoo Primo builds that owners wanted different fans on their radiators. The work just fine if using variable voltage control. The PH-F140XP is same fan with PWM control if you want to use PWM control. I prefer PWM control myself, but variable voltage is fine too. Depends on what your source of control is. . wink.gif
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