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Please tell me I'm missing something obvious. I go to play this game, only to find that it is rendered totally unplayable due to substantial, and apparently undefeatable, negative acceleration. Mouse input is atrocious. When the framerate is stable/fixed there is negative acceleration, and God help you if the framerate fluctuates, because the degree of negative acceleration, and indeed mouse sensitivity it'self, is tied to the framerate. It's similar to Skyrim (if anyone's tried that useless engine with an unstable framerate), only 100x worse.

The Witcher is as unplayable as the original Bioshock and Assassin's Creed II (notorious their hideous acceleration), and yet I can barely find any complaints on the net about it's negative acceleration. Am I experiencing a rare anomaly, or are Witcher fans the most undiscerning folk on the planet?

Mouse input this sloppy is positively inconceivable on a PC exclusive title.
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I never had any mouse input issues with the Witcher or the Witcher 2, and the first game is probably in my top three favorite single player games of all time (and ~25 years of gaming). I didn't particularly like the gameplay of the second game, but not because of any mouse issues.

They are also third person RPGs and far more forgiving of less than perfect input than some other genres.
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No idea what you're talking about, I've never had a problem with the game. It's one fantastic game, the second is better when it comes to game play as it's more simplified.
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Well... if you find a solution, please report back. That's the same reason I couldn't play it at all. I tried it a while back, also googled for what config settings people were suggesting to fix the issue, but was still unhappy with its acceleration and lag and whatever else was wrong with the mouse input.

The best part about this story is that it doesn't even have xbox controller support. That's what you'd normally assume is the reason for terrible mouse input like this, a game that was originally built for controller with mouse only being an afterthought. But it actually was built for PC and for mouse, so this issue is baffling.

About the xbox controller... I thought I might try using that because lag isn't an issue with the analog sticks, but you can't do it without special software that translates controller to keyboard+mouse. At that point I gave up completely, too much of a headache. tongue.gif

Steam should btw. introduce a feature where you're able to give a game back after trying it for two hours or so. That would train developers to not have ridiculous issues like that in their game.
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I had no problems at all with the games either.
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Well... if you find a solution, please report back. That's the same reason I couldn't play it at all. I tried it a while back, also googled for what config settings people were suggesting to fix the issue, but was still unhappy with its acceleration and lag and whatever else was wrong with the mouse input.

The best part about this story is that it doesn't even have xbox controller support. That's what you'd normally assume is the reason for terrible mouse input like this, a game that was originally built for controller with mouse only being an afterthought. But it actually was built for PC and for mouse, so this issue is baffling.

About the xbox controller... I thought I might try using that because lag isn't an issue with the analog sticks, but you can't do it without special software that translates controller to keyboard+mouse. At that point I gave up completely, too much of a headache. tongue.gif

Steam should btw. introduce a feature where you're able to give a game back after trying it for two hours or so. That would train developers to not have ridiculous issues like that in their game.

Luckily for me I got it from GOG, who unlike Steam, are decent enough to offer refunds. I'd rather get the game working, but worst case scenario, I'll take advantage of this superior service.

I'm highly sceptical of the "never had an issue" people. If it was just negative acceleration, I'd be tempted to think it might be a system specific issue, but the fact that sensitivity is tied to framerate? That's a deep-seated engine flaw. It's also painfully easy to see - for example, if I run the game at a fixed 120fps, the sensitivity is much higher than if I run it at 60fps. Skyrim had this to a certain extent, but it was much more subtle, and was all but resolved if you capped the game at 60fps and never let it drop below that. In the case of the Witcher, even if you do that, you still get the negative acceleration.
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I never had any mouse input issues with the Witcher or the Witcher 2, and the first game is probably in my top three favorite single player games of all time (and ~25 years of gaming). I didn't particularly like the gameplay of the second game, but not because of any mouse issues.

They are also third person RPGs and far more forgiving of less than perfect input than some other genres.
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No idea what you're talking about, I've never had a problem with the game. It's one fantastic game, the second is better when it comes to game play as it's more simplified.
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I had no problems at all with the games either.

Have any of you played Far Cry 3, and did you notice any mouse issue in that game?
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I have to admit I don't really remember what was going on exactly. I can't say anything about details like what you say about the FPS and acceleration. The best explanation why I couldn't play it would perhaps be, looking around felt like what other games might do for steering a vehicle or something. I was battling with the mouse as if it would be a joystick. The view didn't feel connected to the mouse. Third person isn't an excuse because looking around in WoW is great for example.

After I decided I couldn't play the game like that, I searched for how the text config files for the game work. I tried to find suggestions that people were reporting on being great for the mouse settings in there. I tried those and gave up. tongue.gif
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I have to admit I don't really remember what was going on exactly. I can't say anything about details like what you say about the FPS and acceleration. The best explanation why I couldn't play it would perhaps be, looking around felt like what other games might do for steering a vehicle or something. I was battling with the mouse as if it would be a joystick. The view didn't feel connected to the mouse. Third person isn't an excuse because looking around in WoW is great for example.

After I decided I couldn't play the game like that, I searched for how the text config files for the game work. I tried to find suggestions that people were reporting on being great for the mouse settings in there. I tried those and gave up. tongue.gif

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I really dislike the Witcher's horrid camera & controls also. It prevented me from playing those games for a long time, and I had to mod the second one's camera. It's almost like a test of will lol, because The Witcher is a wonderful game that is fully rewarding to experience, but it's a pain the a*s to get into, and to get over some of the technical shortcomings etc.

You definitely need patience for this game, but imo it was totally worth it, and I was kicking myself for not playing it earlier, when I finally completed it.

tl;dr it's one of those games you'll either really love, or really hate.
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I was able to reproduce the negative acceleration you mention, but only when I was deliberately trying moving the mouse faster than I otherwise would.

I do think sensistivity may be dependent on frame rate as well, but I normally play less demanding games with vsync enabled, unless there is an issue with vsync itself.
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X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
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