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post #1291 of 1517
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I am the same way. I have a really hard time controlling medium-big sized mice.
I cannot handle longer mice either. 120mm is my max length to feel comfortable, and not to wide or bulky.
For example Sensei is to wide and long for me, EC2-A is ok, but I still feel its a big to bulky in my hand.

I play both fps and moba also. I can handle bigger mice in FPS, but for moba my hand gets so tired trying to fork around a bigger mouse with such small movements since I tend to use a different grip when playing moba then fps.

I have the exact same opinion about the Sensei biggrin.gif

What's your opinion about KPM?

I like the KPM, but its not a favorite.
Its short which is perfect, its not that bulky so it fits good in my hand.
The groove is annoying for me because sometimes I want to grip it further back when using fingertip or moving it outside fps, so its in the way, would prefer a more normal side.
It is back heavy which you can feel.

other then that I love the mouse. The buttons are VERY good imo, M1+M2 is perfect for me, not to light not to hard omron implementations. Sidebuttons are very good. Click scroll a bit hard but I never click the scroll down. Scrolling is amazing, Roccat wheels are the best imo.
I also love that I can bind next,previous song on the dpi buttons.

After the firmware the dpi bug is gone so use it default now and no DCU.

Cable not the most flexible but its fine with bungee.

If they made a KPM with more standard left side I would just love the mouse.
I also prefer ambidextrous mice, but the only abidextrous mouse I like is G100 (but no sidebuttons and I want 800dpi prefered), Rival 100 (but 1000dpi sensor feels bad and the buttons are horrible)
Rival 100 och G100 is otherwise very good for my hands with Rival 100 being the best (I do like flatter mice like the Rival 100, its also short 120mm and good width for me. But yeah 1000dpi step is bad and the buttons are garbage.
post #1292 of 1517
Ok, I just got my black edition, which is basically KPM but black....anyways I was excited to get it, DLed the newest drivers, loaded them up and the cursor feels sluggish. It was noticeably slower on my screen and just felt sluggish compared the the FK2 I'm trying to replace.

I'm not one of those people that claim to feel smoothing, or am even that worried about it if I could, but this is how I would think it felt if I could. It definitely feel like the mouse is trying to do something to normalize, or smooth, the cursor movement...it just feels weird.

In comparison my FK2 feels snappy. I like the roccat mouse, it feels good in the hand, it's only slightly heavier than the FK2, I think the side buttons are easier for me to hit..but if the sensor feel is that much different and that much less responsive than the FK2 I have to go back.

Any ideas? I have the software basically stock I haven't messed with it but by default things like prediction are off. Im set at 800 DPI which is the same setting I use with the FK2 so in theory I should tell any difference.
post #1293 of 1517
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Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

I like the KPM, but its not a favorite.
Its short which is perfect, its not that bulky so it fits good in my hand.
The groove is annoying for me because sometimes I want to grip it further back when using fingertip or moving it outside fps, so its in the way, would prefer a more normal side..

Thanks!
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Ok, I just got my black edition, which is basically KPM but black....anyways I was excited to get it, DLed the newest drivers, loaded them up and the cursor feels sluggish. It was noticeably slower on my screen and just felt sluggish compared the the FK2 I'm trying to replace.

Try deleting the software.
post #1294 of 1517
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Originally Posted by Aymanb View Post

Try deleting the software.

I will try that
post #1295 of 1517
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Originally Posted by loki993 View Post

Ok, I just got my black edition, which is basically KPM but black....anyways I was excited to get it, DLed the newest drivers, loaded them up and the cursor feels sluggish. It was noticeably slower on my screen and just felt sluggish compared the the FK2 I'm trying to replace.

I'm not one of those people that claim to feel smoothing, or am even that worried about it if I could, but this is how I would think it felt if I could. It definitely feel like the mouse is trying to do something to normalize, or smooth, the cursor movement...it just feels weird.

In comparison my FK2 feels snappy. I like the roccat mouse, it feels good in the hand, it's only slightly heavier than the FK2, I think the side buttons are easier for me to hit..but if the sensor feel is that much different and that much less responsive than the FK2 I have to go back.

Any ideas? I have the software basically stock I haven't messed with it but by default things like prediction are off. Im set at 800 DPI which is the same setting I use with the FK2 so in theory I should tell any difference.

I had the opposite reaction biggrin.gif
Bought the EC2-A and felt the 3310 implementation felt worse, more smoothed some how.
I have not tried the black edition, but my KPM did feel a bit better (might be placebo but i felt it was slightly snappier) when I updated the firmware and turned of DCU (firmware fixed the bug etc). But it might already be fixed on the black edition, I have no Idea biggrin.gif
post #1296 of 1517
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Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

I had the opposite reaction biggrin.gif
Bought the EC2-A and felt the 3310 implementation felt worse, more smoothed some how.
I have not tried the black edition, but my KPM did feel a bit better (might be placebo but i felt it was slightly snappier) when I updated the firmware and turned of DCU (firmware fixed the bug etc). But it might already be fixed on the black edition, I have no Idea biggrin.gif

I think its the same driver as the KPM.....same date and everything.
post #1297 of 1517
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Originally Posted by loki993 View Post

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Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

I had the opposite reaction biggrin.gif
Bought the EC2-A and felt the 3310 implementation felt worse, more smoothed some how.
I have not tried the black edition, but my KPM did feel a bit better (might be placebo but i felt it was slightly snappier) when I updated the firmware and turned of DCU (firmware fixed the bug etc). But it might already be fixed on the black edition, I have no Idea biggrin.gif

I think its the same driver as the KPM.....same date and everything.

Okey, I know others felt that Zowies implementation of 3310 is behind the likes of Mionix and Roccat, I feel it as well.
My avior 7000 (after the loooong overdue firmware) and KPM both feel better then the EC2-A I had.

One recent thread about the Zowie 3310 implementation http://www.overclock.net/t/1601643/whats-the-deal-with-zowie-mice/0_100#post_25211999
post #1298 of 1517
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Okey, I know others felt that Zowies implementation of 3310 is behind the likes of Mionix and Roccat, I feel it as well.
My avior 7000 (after the loooong overdue firmware) and KPM both feel better then the EC2-A I had.

One recent thread about the Zowie 3310 implementation http://www.overclock.net/t/1601643/whats-the-deal-with-zowie-mice/0_100#post_25211999


Which is exactly why I wanted to try the Avior and the KPM..but so far at least from my experience that's not the case.

I tried the Avior and the sensor seemed good but I couldn't deal with the shape and the mouse was too heavy. So I dint use it for very long.

Im currently trying the KPM and like I said before the mouse feels good in the hand, not better than my fk2 just different, but the sensor feels terrible.

I saw that thread and basically repeated what I'm putting here..Ive had the exact opposite experience with my Zowie...maybe I just can't tell the difference....maybe I got a factory freak somehow...who knows. For me though...so far....my FK2 is the best feeling mouse Ive ever used....sensor and shape... Which is exactly why if I can find something better.....well then.....

so here to hoping I can actually get this Pure figured out.
post #1299 of 1517
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Originally Posted by loki993 View Post

Which is exactly why I wanted to try the Avior and the KPM..but so far at least from my experience that's not the case.

I tried the Avior and the sensor seemed good but I couldn't deal with the shape and the mouse was too heavy. So I dint use it for very long.

Im currently trying the KPM and like I said before the mouse feels good in the hand, not better than my fk2 just different, but the sensor feels terrible.

I saw that thread and basically repeated what I'm putting here..Ive had the exact opposite experience with my Zowie...maybe I just can't tell the difference....maybe I got a factory freak somehow...who knows. For me though...so far....my FK2 is the best feeling mouse Ive ever used....sensor and shape... Which is exactly why if I can find something better.....well then.....

so here to hoping I can actually get this Pure figured out.

Out of curiousity, why not just keep the Fk2? It seems like you like it a lot.

Also you made sure the Black version is Indeed the 3310 optical? And did uninstalling driver help?
post #1300 of 1517
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Originally Posted by loki993 View Post

Ok, I just got my black edition, which is basically KPM but black....anyways I was excited to get it, DLed the newest drivers, loaded them up and the cursor feels sluggish. It was noticeably slower on my screen and just felt sluggish compared the the FK2 I'm trying to replace.

I'm not one of those people that claim to feel smoothing, or am even that worried about it if I could, but this is how I would think it felt if I could. It definitely feel like the mouse is trying to do something to normalize, or smooth, the cursor movement...it just feels weird.

In comparison my FK2 feels snappy. I like the roccat mouse, it feels good in the hand, it's only slightly heavier than the FK2, I think the side buttons are easier for me to hit..but if the sensor feel is that much different and that much less responsive than the FK2 I have to go back.

Any ideas? I have the software basically stock I haven't messed with it but by default things like prediction are off. Im set at 800 DPI which is the same setting I use with the FK2 so in theory I should tell any difference.

Hey there, I normally use a KPM, a friend of mine needed a mouse and he got the Black edition and I tried it out for a couple of days, I had both mice set up in the same way, same dpi, same settings (I even managed to install the same firmware (you can change it around and it just works, I reverted it too, just the black edition obeys to the KPM driver utility aswell after having done that).
Both the mice seem to have the same bug at 500hz that after a limited amount of time of constant movement you get some 1000hz in there so I'd say they are the same.
I opened them both (mine a long time ago) to fix the lens which moves a little and inside they are exactly the same.

Now the only change I noticed was that the black edition felt (very slightly) more sluggish and smoothed out (very very minimal) but nonetheless both were very good and usuable mice.
Out of curiousity I tried a few firmware on the black edition (1.10 for KPM, 1.11 KPM, 1.04 BE, 1.05 BE) and there were no differences apart from the dpi bug, fixed in the latest respective firmwares, it anyway continued to feel a bit less "sharp".
After a while I tried enotus mouse utility and I noticed that under the smoothness test the KPM 1000hz was scoring always around the 5-6% meanwhile the black edition was consistently staying at around 10-12%.
The pattern in the graph of the BE was showing that every third vertical line of input was shorter than the previous two meanwhile the one of the KPM was more regular.

Now, to be honest it didn't feel at all like a deal breaker to me and I think i could get used to it in a matter of hours, and in addition to that I am not sure what the Enotus smoothness score really means and what it measures. I only mentioned that weird Enotus software because it showed the only difference I could detect between the two models in a clear and readable number (which unfortunately I am not knowledgeable enough to correctly understand). Of course microe's mousetester is much better at judging mouse performance but I would not know how to apply it to this matter.

Just gave my two cents because I was lucky enough to try them both (and I've been using 95% the KPM since the mouse came out so I am very used to it).
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