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I can attest to BIOS/UEFI updates bricking a RAID array. I have actually found the UEFI system in general to be a hazardous to a raid array. I lost my array once after a BIOS update and another time simply when changing to boot priority of drives. After I changed the boot priority I couldn't get the "Windows Boot Manager" option back in the boot menu and had to reinstall windows all over again. Now I use Acronis True Image to make a whole disc backup. It saved me in one of the above instances. I just rebuilt the array, launched the Acronis Recovery Media from a USB stick and completely restored my system. I think its pretty wonderful software. But yeah, I am now much more careful about updating my BIOS and altering boot options.
I would never update the bios while using raid and not expect to lose my data but then again I never use that fake software raid ever I just don't trust it and don't want to start now and on my servers I use hardware raid. I never save anything important on my computer, it's all on the server backed up every day.

With all that said, this is a really good discussion between you and JackCY because many people use it and feel safe with it but they could lose data by updating. I still don't see it bricking the MB just the raid config unless you lose power in the middle of it.

edited for better clarity.
Edited by Artah - 6/22/16 at 3:22pm
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He's tried so many things, should have written it down in a problem thread of it's own too, but I don't did that yet. Claims that one location is working second isn't so it's pretty much to a house issue and not computer issue anymore. Though I would still advise on making sure that is true unless it was thoroughly confirmed. The power grid would have to be pretty messed up for the issue to get past the modern PSUs and all their filtering and stabilization. He needs to narrow it down to find the cause of the undesirable effect, we can't really advice/help otherwise.

On the RAID topic, you can update UEFI but you need to setup the same 100% exact RAID again same settings, drive order, all of it. There are some tools to even get the settings back and such. I don't use RAID, but some people do:



So yeah, think for yourself before acting on random online advises tongue.gif
Edited by JackCY - 6/22/16 at 3:33pm
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I'm really curious about this though, I want to know what fixes it so I can apply it to anyone else having similar issues to help them out.
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It might do it, however there are other things I need to try first like getting a new plug socket
I don't know if I asked already but do you have SLI enabled? If you do try running it without for a test also and maybe use DDU to completely remove your graphics drivers and re-install it.
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I don't know if I asked already but do you have SLI enabled? If you do try running it without for a test also and maybe use DDU to completely remove your graphics drivers and re-install it.

Sure I can do that

I managed to play 4-6 hours of Battlefield 4 today and it did not crash, played some Battlefront (did not crash) then quit the game, went and viewed a tech website and got a restart

I will be doing C states and turning off SLI tomorrow, then will wait for the electrician to come and put in a new plug socket
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I don't know if I asked already but do you have SLI enabled? If you do try running it without for a test also and maybe use DDU to completely remove your graphics drivers and re-install it.

Still done it while turning SLI off, Battlefront was fine, quit the game, went to Chrome 5 minutes later, restart, then I can if I view the same tabs again, it is fine
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Just go ahead and disable C3 and C6 right now. Why wait? We need to experiment with everything here.

 

If this doesn't make any difference, then disable SpeedStep (leave C3 and C6 disabled). If that doesn't make any difference, then disable C1E - leaving SpeedStep, C3 and C6 disabled.

 

If that doesn't make any difference, then do whatever you need to do in order to make sure the voltage doesn't go down while idling or under light loads. I think the problem is that the CPU isn't getting enough power in light-loading and idling situations. Think about it...

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Why are people suggesting updating UEFI all the time? Last time I've seen that it ruined a RAID as when you update you lose all settings and can possibly brick your whole system. Unless you have dual UEFI and everything backed up I would advice against updating UEFI just for fun as it really solves nothing except what is often written in the updates for new UEFI.

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Why are people suggesting updating UEFI all the time? Last time I've seen that it ruined a RAID as when you update you lose all settings and can possibly brick your whole system. Unless you have dual UEFI and everything backed up I would advice against updating UEFI just for fun as it really solves nothing except what is often written in the updates for new UEFI.

I can attest to BIOS/UEFI updates bricking a RAID array. I have actually found the UEFI system in general to be a hazardous to a raid array. I lost my array once after a BIOS update and another time simply when changing to boot priority of drives. After I changed the boot priority I couldn't get the "Windows Boot Manager" option back in the boot menu and had to reinstall windows all over again. Now I use Acronis True Image to make a whole disc backup. It saved me in one of the above instances. I just rebuilt the array, launched the Acronis Recovery Media from a USB stick and completely restored my system. I think its pretty wonderful software. But yeah, I am now much more careful about updating my BIOS and altering boot options.

All I hear is people don't know what they are doing (people who use this crap. Not directed at the posters per say )

I can't say this enough.
DON'T USE MOBO RAID, IT IS ABSOLUTE TRASH

If you would like to use it you are using a ghetto rigged setup of something made for servers so someone can feel so happy about epeen read and write speeds. And if you use a software solution.... wow I can't even fathom what to say to you.

There is a reason server solutions would never,EVER use such crap.

If you want raid. Get a real raid card with real on board ram and a backup battery that is large enough to actually write all data.

And Ironically I see myself as knowing literally nothing about raid, which I learned from actually researching this stuff when I heard ooooo high read and write.


Wait I'll be a mind reader ready?

Mobo and / or software raid works just fine rolleyes.gif


By the way, if when you see the price for a real raid card all you can say is " that's to expensive " then Yea. Don't raid.
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I can attest to BIOS/UEFI updates bricking a RAID array. I have actually found the UEFI system in general to be a hazardous to a raid array. I lost my array once after a BIOS update and another time simply when changing to boot priority of drives. After I changed the boot priority I couldn't get the "Windows Boot Manager" option back in the boot menu and had to reinstall windows all over again. Now I use Acronis True Image to make a whole disc backup. It saved me in one of the above instances. I just rebuilt the array, launched the Acronis Recovery Media from a USB stick and completely restored my system. I think its pretty wonderful software. But yeah, I am now much more careful about updating my BIOS and altering boot options.
I would never update the bios while using raid and not expect to lose my data but then again I never use that fake software raid ever I just don't trust it and don't want to start now and on my servers I use hardware raid. I never save anything important on my computer, it's all on the server backed up every day.

With all that said, this is a really good discussion between you and JackCY because many people use it and feel safe with it but they could lose data by updating. I still don't see it bricking the MB just the raid config unless you lose power in the middle of it.

edited for better clarity.

Mostly right
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He's tried so many things, should have written it down in a problem thread of it's own too, but I don't did that yet. Claims that one location is working second isn't so it's pretty much to a house issue and not computer issue anymore. Though I would still advise on making sure that is true unless it was thoroughly confirmed. The power grid would have to be pretty messed up for the issue to get past the modern PSUs and all their filtering and stabilization. He needs to narrow it down to find the cause of the undesirable effect, we can't really advice/help otherwise.

On the RAID topic, you can update UEFI but you need to setup the same 100% exact RAID again same settings, drive order, all of it. There are some tools to even get the settings back and such. I don't use RAID, but some people do:



So yeah, think for yourself before acting on random online advises tongue.gif

This was literally the worst video I have ever seen on this topic.

The single worst.

I literally heard mission critical and no backup in the same sentence. and mission critical and software raid? Wow. Then he panics and tries to save said data? Panic and save should be never be in the same sentence together involving mission critical.

Sure you can argue he teaches others how to prevent. I would argue he enables everyone to be another victim. He does literally everything wrong. He didn't even have any redundancy (not talking about backups but no mirroring or parity.... do you even want me to continue on why he is fail so bad? )

This brings this to my mind
caution-machine_has_no_brain-600x336.jpg


This is not ment to offend. But to teach.
Edited by Mega Man - 6/22/16 at 10:32pm
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So would it just be easier to disable all the C-States, to make sure it is not them, also what about C1E
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So would it just be easier to disable all the C-States, to make sure it is not them

 

Just do it because it's extremely easy to do and it's not time-consuming in the least bit. It's literally the easiest thing that you could possibly do here. Why haven't you done it yet?

 

So, as I posted before:

 

"Just go ahead and disable C3 and C6 right now. Why wait? We need to experiment with everything here.

 

If this doesn't make any difference, then disable SpeedStep (leave C3 and C6 disabled). If that doesn't make any difference, then disable C1E - leaving SpeedStep, C3 and C6 disabled.

 

If that doesn't make any difference, then do whatever you need to do in order to make sure the voltage doesn't go down while idling or under light loads. I think the problem is that the CPU isn't getting enough power in light-loading and idling situations. Think about it..."

 

There's no harm in experimenting with these settings. If this is the culprit, then think of the money you'll avoid wasting by not having an electrician come to your house.


Edited by TwoCables - 6/23/16 at 7:36am
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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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