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The Asrock has a conditionality (see post #6 here . Actually Asrock removed completely the CPU support on R1.0 for 8320/8350, because of cases of throttling. It added asterisk on R2.0.

The same should apply to the Biostar really... It would be more honest. Much depends of what other stuff the user runs, the case ventilation etc. I 've seen people managing to overclock an 8-core to 4.4Ghz, others to complain that they throttle at stock.

It should run at stock, but it would be close to the motherboard's limit, paired with power hungry GPU and insufficient ventilation. Undervolted, it would probably run much better.

For me, the Asrock 970 extreme3 is the best of the "low cost" heatsinked 970 4+1 motherboards. I have both the R1.0 and R2.0 models and they run very stable, very clean, nothing odd. But for 8-cores it's risky, specially if you don't undervolt.


With a case with decent airflow i managed 4.5ghz on my 6100 with an asrock 970 extreme3, 1.425v, any higher and it would throttle. He says his friend won't be overclocking the 8 core so i think either board would be just fine.
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With a case with decent airflow i managed 4.5ghz on my 6100 with an asrock 970 extreme3, 1.425v, any higher and it would throttle. He says his friend won't be overclocking the 8 core so i think either board would be just fine.

At stock, it should be able to, but what if he gets a more powerful GPU than yours? What if his case ventilation is worse than yours? What if his ambient temperature is higher? At any rate, it would be sweating... Since he is willing to get the better board, why not get it? He can have better margin.

See:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/970%20Extreme3/?cat=CPU

At the beginning, they had 8320/8350 in the list, even in the R1.0 and in deed, if you google around, several people were overclocking 8cores. But if Asrock removed them, they had good reason. Usually the same people that manage to overclock, are also people with very good coolers, many fans and good cases. Someone who isn't the above, can throttle at stock. But all this, shows the board runs near its limits. And with a 1 year warranty board, do you want to do this?

Interestinly, despite missing in the CPU list, 8320 and 8350 can still run on the R1.0. They are correctly recognized in BIOS. But Asrock removed them from the official list.
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At stock, it should be able to, but what if he gets a more powerful GPU than yours? What if his case ventilation is worse than yours? What if his ambient temperature is higher? At any rate, it would be sweating... Since he is willing to get the better board, why not get it? He can have better margin.

See:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/970%20Extreme3/?cat=CPU

At the beginning, they had 8320/8350 in the list, even in the R1.0 and in deed, if you google around, several people were overclocking 8cores. But if Asrock removed them, they had good reason. Usually the same people that manage to overclock, are also people with very good coolers, many fans and good cases. Someone who isn't the above, can throttle at stock. But all this, shows the board runs near its limits. And with a 1 year warranty board, do you want to do this?

Interestinly, despite missing in the CPU list, 8320 and 8350 can still run on the R1.0. They are correctly recognized in BIOS. But Asrock removed them from the official list.


I don't know that their are many more hot gpu's then the 6970 thumb.gif , but if he's willing to get something better by all means.
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I don't know that their are many more hot gpu's then the 6970 thumb.gif , but if he's willing to get something better by all means.

Actually that was a dumb hypothesis on my part. The max a GPU can draw from the board is what? 75W ? The rest will get directly from the PSU. Still, there is risk of hotter components. A GPU that's putting out more heat, more HDDS, etc.

For the FX6300 it would have no problem, as you 've seen i myself overclock at 4Ghz (still run prime95), but the Gigabyte is a better board. Even by touching the 2 boards, the Gigabyte makes you feel "safer". You know, for example, when you press the PSU chord on the ASrock and it flexes or the fact that it's thin? No big deal if you 're careful, but as soon as you hold the UD3P on your hands, you think "well, it was worth the extra €10". The built quality is evidently superior. Not that i have any complaint from the Asrocks, on the contrary. But there are people who had their board die after 1 year and they have no warranty in USA after that. The UD3P has a phase design that you can only find in 990FX class motherboards.
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also there are some used boards - the gigabyte 990fx ud3 for $85 - should pm the owner and ask him if he still has warranty left on his baord
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491193/asus-maximus-v-extreme-for-just-225-plus-shipping-gigabyte-990fx-ud3-msi-890fxa-gd70-cpu-ram
shoudl message me your setup and your primary use of your PC and what your temps are like if you would like a 2nd opinion

I will PM you. Let me gather the info later. I would love a second opinion. Thanks
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At stock you can undervolt and shave off about 30W probably. My entire rig with the FX-6300 undervolted, draws 140W in Handbrake. Even at 4Ghz, it draws 170W at Handbrake, 200-202 max during Prime95. The benefit in temperatures is big.

Didnt know you can undervolt it at a stock clock. I can imagine that 30w reduction is a huge benefit in reduced temps. I may do that. Will tell you if I do and what the result is.
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Any suggstion on any cheap 2 4g ram, or does it matter?


And I made 3 posts in 3 different areas trying to get suggestions on different components. Sorry if that's not how it is suppose to be done.
This Kingston Ram that I reviewed some time back seems pretty good. Have a look at it- http://blackholetec.com/main/
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Didnt know you can undervolt it at a stock clock. I can imagine that 30w reduction is a huge benefit in reduced temps. I may do that. Will tell you if I do and what the result is.

That's exactly where the maximum gain is, because you don't lose any performace, but you can take advantage of the CPU manufacturers' voltage margin, with which they ship all CPUs. In a low TDP CPU, the gain in absolute numbers is small, but in power hungry CPUs, the reduction in power consumption/heat is significant. The temperature gain depends also on the CPU cooler and case fans, but i 'd say on average you can get a 4-6C reduction in temperatures.

You also undervolt while underclocking, but while you gain more in temperature reduction, you lose in performance compared to stock speed.
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This Kingston Ram that I reviewed some time back seems pretty good. Have a look at it- http://blackholetec.com/main/

Oh, that's a very nice website you have there, Jason! Nice job!
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That's exactly where the maximum gain is, because you don't lose any performace, but you can take advantage of the CPU manufacturers' voltage margin, with which they ship all CPUs. In a low TDP CPU, the gain in absolute numbers is small, but in power hungry CPUs, the reduction in power consumption/heat is significant. The temperature gain depends also on the CPU cooler and case fans, but i 'd say on average you can get a 4-6C reduction in temperatures.

You also undervolt while underclocking, but while you gain more in temperature reduction, you lose in performance compared to stock speed.
Oh, that's a very nice website you have there, Jason! Nice job!

Thanks smile.gif
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